We need more ways to make gold in this game.

[AzuraSin]

Finally, someone who actually wants to discuss.

There are two major problems with your argument.

1) You are coming from a legacy server which has a huge stock pile of legacy Gil, so the problems will not be as evident to your server as quickly as they are to non-legacy.

I disagree that this is a flaw in my argument since I know numerous Legacy players who had trouble even making gil in v1. Legacy servers are not swimming in gil, and you can safely assume that item costs in our MW are accordingly higher simply because we have more to spend. The problem would still exist, only scaled up.

2) Non legacy server players are already broke. Last night 2 24 man guilds on Leviathan had to stop raiding because they ran out of Gil to do more attempts.

And did you ask them what they spent all their gil on? Or how wisely they spent it? Saying players are broke doesn't really prove anything by itself; like I said, I knew people who were broke in v1 when there were copious ways to make gil quickly and easily.

That is what this entire thread is about. Without taking money from another player there is no way to "make more money" than we spend on simple repairs and travel costs.

You say "there is no way" but what I think you mean is "I have not found a way."

Where is this magical 5k gil coming from to pay for my hour of wiping to hard mode encounters? Vaer and I may have had a stupid argument a few posts back but he is spot on with his statement.

Is it or is it not your choice to spend an hour wiping to hard mode encounters rather than making money to save up to pay repair costs?