History repeats itself: Time for the Great Archer Nerf of 2011

[Joe_Cool]

Multishot(big advantage at beginning of the fight, using it in middle is just stupid unless ur safe)

As well as Trifrucate(3hit), Quick Knock(multihit ws pre 30's), Bloodletter(1000TP, also recast is insanely short compared to other "final ws") Wide Volley II(a good non steadfasted AoE for 1000tp).. all im saying is archer is better DD for those who refused.

Check out the recast timer for Trifrucate. As far as Quick Knock goes, if you dont use hawk eye you will probably miss 2 of the shots. And even though its a 5 hit WS, each shot doesnt do much dmg without Raging Strike. Which is why I said Raging Strike is what make things pwn. Trifrucate isn't worth it without Raging Strike 2 either

Bloodletter is really just a regular WS and numerous jobs have pretty good AOE ws's such as Wide Volley


Also keep in mind that ARC is the most expensive job to bring up. Just a stack of the good high level arrows will run you almost 80k. And you can use several stacks on the linked up leve runs and SPing in just 1 night. Even though getting gil in this game is easy, 160k-240k a night in just ARROWS is high.

[Chronic]

This is nonsense

[Peregrine]

Good job defending by yourself in this thread peregrine. i too have played FFXI for a very long time 2003-2009, and yes i can see what you mean when you compare and archers and rangers... those poor dhalmels in bibiki bay(5RNG+1BRD)..

Anyways...

Those who thinks ARC is just as good as any other DD should think twice, ARC is better than all the melee DD at the moment. If you are denying this it means either you are don't want SE adjusting the class, or Have not level'd any other Melee class and told yourself "i if was archer i could have killed this mob faster" or just in denial.

In my Current static consisting of 7 members and a mule, everyone has archer level'd expect me(because i know it will be "adjusted" in the future) and i also have heard them saying that if "i was on archer, this leve would have been over along time ago". I'm gonna guess the Archer population is higher than any other melee, seeing how almost everyone wants to lvl archer or have a 50 archer in their arsenal already. why? "its the most balanced class?" please.

Archer do have their disadvantage in their defense and cant solo much of even match mobs at rank 45+, but when it comes to a party with tank, healers etc, you they dont have to worry about lacking defense(since provoke/taunt is much better in FFXIV), imo Linkshells perfere ARC over any other DD in NMs... and you know some of you who has ARC leveld it because of that or leveling it because you heard about its damaged output.

A tank, couple of Mages, and 5xARC would get a 50NM dead before a same set up with 5x(insert any other melee).

In the current condition of the game, last thing i want to see is a ARC nerf and ppl rage quit game, but i would like to see
buffs for other classes such as multihit skills(that arnt capped to each hit)to bring them to archer's output lvl.

Haha right on. Yeah multihit skills for the other classes would be good.

[Huy]

This is nonsense

Naw it's not lol, it's kinda fun to see a guy making a fool outta himself

[Radaghast]

Anyone not using warped while leveling up is just wasting money. Archer is not expensive to level up at all.

[Peregrine]

For someone who using FFXI History as fact to proving his/her point, you clearly did not get your fact right. What got nerfed for Rng in FFXI was not the dmg, but the ability to stay in close range with the mob, using /nin and dual daggers to get tp and do dmg with rng ws. Dmg output of a rng stay the same or even higher b4 the nerf if you stay in the right range in FFXI. What stop people in FFXI to do rng party was not the dmg but that they actually have to spend gil on arrow. B4 the nerf most rng in party would just get their tp with dual daggers then spam sidewider and if you have a Kclub that would give you even higher advantage than other DD.

Bzzt. They sustained 2 nerfs back to back. THe first agility nerf and how archer damage was checked against mobs hit their damage. When that didn't phase the players who whored archer out, Square hit them where it hurt and simultaneously nerfed their accuracy and attack, and blasted them with 2-handed meleers so powerful they became bottom-parsers.

Lesson learned?
Op looks like not. We're going to have the lesson again!
Should be fun.

Square probably realizes that if they make the raid content hard, you all will just bring nothing but archers and thaumaturges to it to win, which creates more archers and thaumaturges, which brings more demand for harder fights, which encourages more thaumaturges and archers.

Just like old times. A game with 10 jobs actually has 3. Sorry lancers. Your father was a dragoon and you know what happened to dragoons when archers ran amok.

You can take dad's spot on the bench.

[Peregrine]

Naw it's not lol, it's kinda fun to see a guy making a fool outta himself

All you rangers said the same things.
Then BANG BANG went the hammer. And it was pretty funny.

[Peregrine]

Also keep in mind that ARC is the most expensive job to bring up. Just a stack of the good high level arrows will run you almost 80k. And you can use several stacks on the linked up leve runs and SPing in just 1 night. Even though getting gil in this game is easy, 160k-240k a night in just ARROWS is high.

4th time this has been brought up. How will it turn out the fourth time???
No, sorry, just like last time. You don't pay for **** in this game if you're an archer. You probably couldn't even AFFORD to be a ranger in FFXI, and even though their argument that they pay for performance was TEN times better than yours is right now, they STILL lost the argument and got hammered..

Which makes your lame attempt at arguing that YOU pay for performance when honestly you pay amounts I FORGET I even have...nope. Don't make this fail argument again, or you'll get the same reply. Illegitimate argument is illegitimate.

[Joe_Cool]

4th time this has been brought up. How will it turn out the fourth time???
No, sorry, just like last time. You don't pay for **** in this game if you're an archer. You probably couldn't even AFFORD to be a ranger in FFXI, and even though their argument that they pay for performance was TEN times better than yours is right now, they STILL lost the argument and got hammered..

Which makes your lame attempt at arguing that YOU pay for performance when honestly you pay amounts I FORGET I even have...nope. Don't make this fail argument again, or you'll get the same reply. Illegitimate argument is illegitimate.

There are 2 DD's....

1 of them isn't paying any gil and doing dmg
1 of them is paying 200k gil and doing dmg

The one paying 200k gil and doing dmg has a legitimate arguement to have a higher DPS.

[Peregrine]

PS: If history is repeating itself, this means we'll eventually see MRD and GLD get put out of a job by someone with the ability to completely negate damage, LNCs will eat some change to weapon skills that will label them as gimp for the better part of four years, and THM will really become Red Mage and be solely focused on spamming refresh.

Oh absolutely. The second tough content hits this game, Marauders lancers and pugilists are toast if that enemy AoE's. Which it will, because to Square Enix, AoE=more hard. They'll be warming the bench in a heartbeat. It'll be one glad, 4 archers and 3 thaumaturges. Plus or minus three archers or thaumaturges of course. That's the solution to every endgame event that Square Enix can release. Thaumaturges and archers with a token gladiator. Unless they're sp'ing, then **** that gladiator. He can go grind coblyns solo, you only have 8 slots, and all 8 are needed for someone USEFUL.

Useful is what the rangers used to say. They need that spot to go to someone useful. As in not monks, dragoons, thieves, paladins, white mages, or dark knights. Those kinds of people don't deserve bards. Ninja....alright the ninja can come if he's good.

Who needs a healer? Nobody. The archers all have Cure III and cure for 550. That's more than enough. Don't have AoE cures? Doesn't matter, that was the whole point in telling the meleers to get lost, remember? Lolmeleers...Dink* Sorry healers, you're just...not...useful.

How many of you all are just dying to get 4 archers, 3 thaumaturges, and a gladiator and just eat any endgame content SE can throw at you. I know exactly what you have in mind. Here's your future conversation:

Buff up!
Everyone knock up their arrows for multishot. Thaumaturges start with chainspell shadowsear shadowsear buff em up buff em up. DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN 50% OF ITS LIFE LOLOLOL PWNED! Archers gogogogo DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN 30% OF ITS LIFE XDDDDDD gogogo weaponskills weaponskills spam it spam it WIN!

History, reapeating itself, as we speak. And no one even sees it coming.

GOOD JOB GUYS we're AWESOME! Took my pug friend SEVEN tries to win that fight with a bunch of scrubs!