Nomenclature is Important

[Grimm]

That has nothing to do with bidding and instead is an evolution in the economy. When a player can make an item for profit cheaper then you or is just trying to get rid of inventory then theres nothing stopping them. Thats how a free market works. The problem is that in a MMO you can't entice people to buy your product over anothers because they are all static items. a Pearl Ring is always a Pearl Ring. You can't turn your Cheap MP3 player into an iPod for instance. So people will always just buy the cheapest.

This happens in any mmo and any mmo economy. And it isn't something anyone should get upset over. If someone else can still profit off an item you are selling for more then either you need to figure out whats allowing them to sell it for so much cheaper and still be profitable to them and adapt their strategy or you need to take the loss and get rid of inventory. Right now any non-nm drop or item crafted off nm drop sold for more then 100k is over priced because of simple inflation. Which the Guild Tasks are trying to fight by forcing items out of the inventory.

Okay so what is corrupt about an AH?

[yukikaze_yanagi]

You missing some passages
FFXI ah: open the ah
open the category (weapon,armor...)
open the sub-category (because you are to choose sword,scythe,great sword ecc)
depending the filter you choose, scroll pages to find the name you looking.
look the history to see the medium price (since isn't a real auction)
buy it. If it's the last, hope nobody buy first.

You know what it seems ? A market ward, minus the walking. How resembling.
and cmon, don't try to appear the walk a game-breaker: you don't need to find anything, the guy have a red star on the head. Walk streight until you see the star. the end.
The wards need some tweak, but thre's honestly low difference from this and ah

edit for the corruption thing: he mean it can be easly botted, so people can monopolize items and re-sell it to bigger price. Fiction ? No. It happend on FFXI. ALL THE TIME

[Cairdeas]

Okay so what is corrupt about an AH?

Blind Bidding with a Price History allows RMT Manipulation. A group of 5 RMT's can completely decimate the economy of a game in less then a month if they try hard enough. Simply by buying all the stock of an item thats in demand but has low quantity and then force the price history up artificially by selling it to themselves over and over at a higher price then the item would naturally be worth.

Timed Bidding... Well thats timed bidding, It takes too long to be valuable to the player. Some games can have an item up for almost 7 days worth of bidding when you need the item now.

[Grimm]

You missing some passages
FFXI ah: open the ah
open the category (weapon,armor...)
open the sub-category (because you are to choose sword,scythe,great sword ecc)
depending the filter you choose, scroll pages to find the name you looking.
look the history to see the medium price (since isn't a real auction)
buy it. If it's the last, hope nobody buy first.

I was thinking more like a WoW buyout system and the FFXI system where the item goes right into your inv. a Hybrid, I did not like the XI AH.

[Grimm]

Blind Bidding with a Price History allows RMT Manipulation. A group of 5 RMT's can completely decimate the economy of a game in less then a month if they try hard enough. Simply by buying all the stock of an item thats in demand but has low quantity and then force the price history up artificially by selling it to themselves over and over at a higher price then the item would naturally be worth.

Timed Bidding... Well thats timed bidding, It takes too long to be valuable to the player. Some games can have an item up for almost 7 days worth of bidding when you need the item now.

They should do buyout only no price history only current listed prices like the wards. That is one thing I think the wards got right no history. I do like the wards but if I'm in a hurry it's too much of a hassle they should make it more time friendly I wouldn't mind paying extra tax and buying the item from the search feature.

[Cairdeas]

They should do buyout only no price history only current listed prices like the wards. That is one thing I think the wards got right no history. I do like the wards but if I'm in a hurry it's too much of a hassle they should make it more time friendly I wouldn't mind paying extra tax and buying the item from the search feature.

If its only buy out its still not a Auction house and can be implemented which is what we've been trying to say this whole time.

[Grimm]

If its only buy out its still not a Auction house and can be implemented which is what we've been trying to say this whole time.

I only use the term AH because everyone understands what it is. No one uses the bid systems in WoW that much. But if they do something like this I am 100% for it. or I would be okay with wards as they are now IF only they made them feel more alive. Give the retainers some life...

[Lobo]

Blind Bidding with a Price History allows RMT Manipulation.

Everything they have created in this game has been made specifically with thwarting RMT in mind and has only served to punish the few actual players left which is what pisses me off the most. We have UI lag and unresponsiveness by using a server-side UI because they are so afraid of RMT. All of their problems could be solved by having a far more active approach on banning and removing RMT accounts.

If its only buy out its still not a Auction house and can be implemented which is what we've been trying to say this whole time.

Semantics. Are you honestly saying that if they added an AH system just like other games, (I hate to always reference WoW, but it works) Without a bid feature and called it the Market House or some other name you would be all for it? Not every AH has a blind bid or a timed bid feature, you say this doesn't make it an auction house anymore. Well maybe not by exact definition but it's just the typical MMO-term.

[Jinko]

Who cares ! /shrug

I don't necessarily want an AH, I just want a fast easy way to buy items through the search menu and no I don't want to pay a fee for that either.

It doesn't matter what terms people use at the end of the day as long as they know what they want.

So Market system yes please, Market Wards with hundreds of player NPC's no thanks.

Class and Job is neither here nor there really especially considering they will be adding a job system at some point and nobody knows what it will be or how it works.

[Naylia]

SE have realized they had an issue with this and have proposed implementing the classic FF Job System in a new way ontop of the current Armoury (Weapon Class) System.

In Final Fantasy XIV the term Job will be used to help a character define a Specific Role.
Paladin - Tank
Thief/Ranger/Dark Knight - Subversive Fighter
Warrior/Fighter/Monk/Dragoon/ - DD
White Mage - Healer
Black Mage/Blue Mage/Ninja/ - Magic DD
Red Mage/Scholar - Hybrid Heal/Elemental
Bard/Gambler/Dancer - Buffs
Etc.

So in result the Job should define the role, the Weapon should defines how the role is Performed.
Paladin/Gladiator-Sentinel : Tanks through pure Defense
Paladin/Lancer : Tanks through maintaining hate through dealing damage.
Paladin/Thaumaturge: Tanks through self-healing damage taken.
Etc.

I agree that Jobs (however they work out) will be used to help characters define their Role. This has already been stated by the dev team as one of the goals. What I am concerned with is the armor side of the Armoury System in all this. Currently all armor that can be equipped is driven by your weapon selection. But people want to be able to tie the look of their character to the role the character performs. It would be nice to be able to tie armor to my Job, rather than my Weapon Class. For instance - I want a Black Mage that carries a dagger, and wears robes, or a Red Mage that carries a sword, and has some other outfit. Or your Paladin/Thaum above - if I tank through self healing...I'd still want to dress like a tank and use affinities and skills to then define how I do that, and that means a set of armor and not a set of robes. If Armor continues to be tied to Weapon, I have some concerns about the flexibility of the system to create a variety of ways to fill different roles.

Leveling a Discipline makes me better at using a weapon (sword, lance, axe, elemental magic, dark/light magic) or tool (hammer, saw, etc)....makes perfect sense.

But how exactly does leveling that Discipline tie to my ability to wear armor. Should armor be tied to Discipline? Or should it be tied to Job? Or should it be tied to Physical level? Or should it just be tied to Attributes?

As I write this, I like the idea of Armor depends on Attributes/Stats. You want to wear robes that imbue you with even higher magical power, well you need a certain Int or Mnd. You want to wear heavy plate, well you need strength. You want to wear gymnasts tights or bicycle shorts, better have some Dex. Any thoughts?