1.17 NMs: Let's talk about them...

[Alcide]

http://static.finalfantasyxiv.com/to...4faff34ed00e74

This is the community's reply to whether they want to see drastic changes in Eorzea. The majority do.

You are not part of the majority. Deal with it or get out.

You know that "drastic changes" is quite a vague concept, don't you? If, in exemple they would... change the graphic engine, make the character super deformed and make them ride a skateboard it would still be a drastic change... it doesn't mean that's what the majority wanted.

Also, the majority vs minority thing is a really archaic way of thinking and that's also pretty fascist :/ everyone here is a potential player that wants to help making a better game and thinks that he's giving a good feedback, so saying "you're opinion doesn't count anything" is really pointless.

EDIT: Also, since you really wanna talk about majority and numbers, the majority of the players left back in November after the first big patch, when the SP rate was still awfull so I really doubt they got far into the game, but still they got to make the poll, so I would dare to say that the majority was right by saying that the game wasn't fun, but they didn't know what they were talking about when they were talking about battle system, NM and drops if you really wanna talk about numbers you have to take this into account.

[Fensfield]

http://static.finalfantasyxiv.com/to...4faff34ed00e74

This is the community's reply to whether they want to see drastic changes in Eorzea. The majority do.

You are not part of the majority. Deal with it or get out.

Wow, way to run in with the 'Poll says I can shout down your constructive criticism' strategy.

Sorry, but by opening these forums, S-E removed any right people like you might have had to tell us to shut up about our opinions. So people said they'd be okay with big changes. So what?

Even setting aside how great a jerk your 'majority says shut up' argument makes you look, that poll was to establish a direction for the team to go in, and it has - and we're all fine with that. The results of it do not give you the right to go running into every topic you vaguely dislike and tell people to 'shutup or GTFO'.

Square-Enix request our feedback, we're giving it to them. People may be okay with drastic changes to the game, but why should we not be allowed to talk about why we dislike this change in particular?

That poll, at this point, is completely irrelevant; to this thread, to far less considered threads, and even to threads arguing in favour of even more drastic changes that I imagine you think it supports. It was a one-time effort to give the development team a sense of direction during a difficult time, and I imagine some of them are rather regretting publishing the results now, what with people like you running into topics and waving 'We're okay with big changes' in everyone's faces as an argument why they should feel small and unimportant. As of the forums opening, people are allowed to offer whatever criticism, praise, or ideas they want and hope the developers take notice, and that includes, "I'm sorry, I don't like this particular change, this is why I feel it's detrimental."

Deal with it, or get out, and take your meaningless numbers with you.

[And just for the record, I voted 'No' to drastic changes. A: Because knowing the internet, it was obvious people like this would start touting a positive answer at everyone they didn't like. B: Because I just knew that if I did, two thirds of the changes would come back to bite me for it.

And I still find it laughable to think that at the time, Naoki Yoshida could have imagined he would get anything like a considered reply, let alone an informed one, to so vague and dramatic a question of so riled a userbase]

[darkstarpoet1]

You know that "drastic changes" is quite a vague concept, don't you? If, in exemple they would... change the graphic engine, make the character super deformed and make them ride a skateboard it would still be a drastic change... it doesn't mean that's what the majority wanted.

Also, the majority vs minority thing is a really archaic way of thinking and that's also pretty fascist :/ everyone here is a potential player that wants to help making a better game and thinks that he's giving a good feedback, so saying "you're opinion doesn't count anything" is really pointless.

EDIT: Also, since you really wanna talk about majority and numbers, the majority of the players left back in November after the first big patch, when the SP rate was still awfull so I really doubt they got far into the game, but still they got to make the poll, so I would dare to say that the majority was right by saying that the game wasn't fun, but they didn't know what they were talking about when they were talking about battle system, NM and drops if you really wanna talk about numbers you have to take this into account.

no that's not fair. facts are not allowed. i mean just because i voted for drastic changes myself does not mean this is anywhere near the drastic changes i wanted.

i wonder how many people that voted for drastic changes would have voted yes if they asked "do you want us to drastically make this game super easy to where a 5 year old kid can do it"? i know i am one vote that voted for major changes that would have changed my vote.

[Smokie23]

I agree with the game is getting to easy...well it was easy from release. People are already capped. crafts are close to 50. No mobs link. Need more mobs to be more aggressive and link and follow you. The XI grind im kind of missing. Main thing that drove me away from the week trial of WoW was because it was TOO EASY. To layed out, everything pinpointed for you.

As for NM drops...does it really matter its spamming a few items?? Its not the ONLY items to be had. Its normal items and not dyed ones...from the looks of it people like to customize their characters to look unique so people will probably still buy a colored one IF it is like the only and best and top notch piece of equipment its dropping. As the game goes on...there will be tons of new items and stuff to wear. This one two three spammed items will become not a big deal.

As for NM being soloed by r50's? Well why does that matter...again just wait until more are released. Its the same thing as XI...who said a r50 couldn't go kill Jagged-eared-jack (which is what a lvl 5 nm). Its not really a big deal whether a r50 can solo a nm or not, well it only matters if a r50 can solo ALL NM's and not all NM's have been released yet. More will be released that will require full parties and possible more to beat. These NM's are like the bottom of the list, nobody NM's. They seem like good one ATM cause thats all we got.

Its like the above post...its just something they rushed out to give us something to do for now. A lot people complain there are no NM's so they gave us some for the time being. Personally I still think the game should be in BETA stage...maybe even alpha with "drastic changes" still may be implemented.

[VydarrTyr]

i hope all the ones that love the fact it's dropping the demand on crafters because i know quite a few crafters on my server have now doubled the cost to make an item for someone as a payback.

I'm strongly in favor of this. Not because I think it's a good idea, but because I think it's a horrible one. If those crafters want to double their prices, they should absolutely do so, and I'll just buy things from other people. The logic here is kind of hilarious:

Crafter: "NMs now drop jewelry? Well, then I'm going to charge double for making you a +5 Strength ring. Mwa ha ha!"
Buyer: "Ok. I'll just buy it from someone else."
Crafter: "... Well, what will you do if they double their prices? Mwa ha ha!"
Buyer: "Then I won't buy it."
Crafter: "... But I'm losing money."
Buyer: "No you're not. Do you have any idea what the drop rate is on a +5 Str ring? Less than 10%. Do you really think I'm going to spend 10 hours killing Phaia 30 times hoping that it will drop three +5 Str rings? I'd be much better off just buying them."
Crafter: "... but ... Payback!"
Buyer: "On who? I didn't decide that NMs would drop jewelry. How does forcing me to pay double get payback against SE?"
Crafter: "I don't know. I'm just grumpy I guess."
Buyer: "Yeah. Maybe take a nap. That might help."

[Karvapeikko]

I'll try to think through this positively. Yoshi-P has stated crafting gets a whole new meaning with 'materia system' they're implementing. Seeing things from my point of view crafters will still be the only source of HQ gear and they will also furtherly 'mod' gear. That would make crafters necessary, as improved gears would become a standard. Also even if these new 'NMs' are ridiculously easy(duoable at rank 30, if not less) they can become a stepping stone to harder future NMs. I truly hope we'll be seeing big changes before summer kicks in and devs start emphasising challenging part I'm looking forward to.

[Betelgeuzah]

Wow, way to run in with the 'Poll says I can shout down your constructive criticism' strategy.

loooool

Okay.

[Shiyo]

People should learn to ignore Betelgeuzah, he can't post without being rude or insulting someone :/

[Betelgeuzah]

Why are you being so rude to me, Shiyo :/ What have I ever done to you.

[Fensfield]

loooool

Okay.

People should learn to ignore Betelgeuzah, he can't post without being rude or insulting someone :/

Ooh, he's an idiot .. I mean, yeah I figured but I thought maybe an idiot at least .. bah, how sad.

Well, whatever, I'm sure there are a decent few felt better for reading a proper argument against people abusing that stupid poll. And I just remembered there's an ignore button. *clicks*

'Wonder if I should put an actual thread somewhere about why that poll's not relevant to the forums, though, instead of trying to bicker with every self-important nut runs around shouting at threads they don't like..