Thread: 1.17 NMs: Let's talk about them...

i hope all the ones that love the fact it's dropping the demand on crafters because i know quite a few crafters on my server have now doubled the cost to make an item for someone as a payback. the crafters are going to make their money one way or another. if midrange gear no longer is making them profits they are passing along the losses on the higher end gear.

Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

i hope all the ones that love the fact it's dropping the demand on crafters because i know quite a few crafters on my server have now doubled the cost to make an item for someone as a payback.

I'm strongly in favor of this. Not because I think it's a good idea, but because I think it's a horrible one. If those crafters want to double their prices, they should absolutely do so, and I'll just buy things from other people. The logic here is kind of hilarious:

Crafter: "NMs now drop jewelry? Well, then I'm going to charge double for making you a +5 Strength ring. Mwa ha ha!"
Buyer: "Ok. I'll just buy it from someone else."
Crafter: "... Well, what will you do if they double their prices? Mwa ha ha!"
Buyer: "Then I won't buy it."
Crafter: "... But I'm losing money."
Buyer: "No you're not. Do you have any idea what the drop rate is on a +5 Str ring? Less than 10%. Do you really think I'm going to spend 10 hours killing Phaia 30 times hoping that it will drop three +5 Str rings? I'd be much better off just buying them."
Crafter: "... but ... Payback!"
Buyer: "On who? I didn't decide that NMs would drop jewelry. How does forcing me to pay double get payback against SE?"
Crafter: "I don't know. I'm just grumpy I guess."
Buyer: "Yeah. Maybe take a nap. That might help."

Originally Posted by Synthesis

I have to agree this game is becoming joke under Yoshi-P lead. Difficulty is lowering, more options for casuals - alright why not. But even some casuals players wanna challenge. All is joke now. You can stay and spam button unless mob die, while conj spam heal. Nothing is happening. Game is easier with every patch.

I think you could get a ancient, relic weapon like this from future NMs. Just 1key spamming - maybe just put autoattack on and go to prepare a tea while nm dies. conj will do the rest.

+ NMs now took majority over gatherers and crafters. Crafters and gatherers r20-40 were threw aside with insane NM pop, drop rate. My set of gems became worthless now when NMs drop all kind of rings and earrings, I sold them to npc so it saved my space, but I had this sour face, while doing that.

I hope someone will send this to dev. team. They re going too easy way, I dont like this at all. NMs are joke, 2 r35 - can duo NM r 49. My whole LS got their rings from NMs, no reason to SP GS when you cant sell the things.

Shame on what is happening from game.

THIS is what i've been saying since the very first letter from the producer. I kept a constant feedback (even before official forum) regarding every point they announce to try and prevent thid from happening. But we need more people that enjoyed the game before to do like you did...show that they are unpleasant with such changes.

Its like i said...these new NMs can be entertaining for midrank ppl...i myself like doing hunts and loved the repop rate...but the way they dealt with all loot part was very sad IMO...its like they are not part of this FF context since they follow the old concepts of archaic games instead of adjusting the things to the mechanics of this game.

Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

http://static.finalfantasyxiv.com/to...4faff34ed00e74

This is the community's reply to whether they want to see drastic changes in Eorzea. The majority do.

You are not part of the majority. Deal with it or get out.

No, i'm not. However i bought the game and liked it..and do voted against changes at bot polls. And i'm already tired of dev team hiding behind a poll built with malicious questions (its already explained in a million topic here...not explaining again) to trick such naive playerbase this game had to give them white card to do whatever they want.

I've been offering them, instead, constructive feedback since the start in a try of prottecting this game from becoming a copy/paste of other MMOs, just like it is right now...what about you? Seens like you prefer the "Do whatever you want to my game!" approach. Keep in mind that its not beta anymore...we all bought the game. Quality is a "must have" now...we cannot wait them change then undo then redo stuff like they are doing.

This game has a solid system and a solid mechanic...nothing more than a few tweaks are needed. They should be making real content that fit this game instead of copying stuff from other games and trying to adjust it to this one. Right now the dev team is trying to fit a glove in a cow paw. They are expecting that as they keep copying/paste content there will be a day where the old, original content will not be used anymore so they can just remove it.

Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

http://static.finalfantasyxiv.com/to...4faff34ed00e74

This is the community's reply to whether they want to see drastic changes in Eorzea. The majority do.

You are not part of the majority. Deal with it or get out.

You know that "drastic changes" is quite a vague concept, don't you? If, in exemple they would... change the graphic engine, make the character super deformed and make them ride a skateboard it would still be a drastic change... it doesn't mean that's what the majority wanted.

Also, the majority vs minority thing is a really archaic way of thinking and that's also pretty fascist :/ everyone here is a potential player that wants to help making a better game and thinks that he's giving a good feedback, so saying "you're opinion doesn't count anything" is really pointless.

EDIT: Also, since you really wanna talk about majority and numbers, the majority of the players left back in November after the first big patch, when the SP rate was still awfull so I really doubt they got far into the game, but still they got to make the poll, so I would dare to say that the majority was right by saying that the game wasn't fun, but they didn't know what they were talking about when they were talking about battle system, NM and drops if you really wanna talk about numbers you have to take this into account.

Originally Posted by Alcide

You know that "drastic changes" is quite a vague concept, don't you? If, in exemple they would... change the graphic engine, make the character super deformed and make them ride a skateboard it would still be a drastic change... it doesn't mean that's what the majority wanted.

Also, the majority vs minority thing is a really archaic way of thinking and that's also pretty fascist :/ everyone here is a potential player that wants to help making a better game and thinks that he's giving a good feedback, so saying "you're opinion doesn't count anything" is really pointless.

EDIT: Also, since you really wanna talk about majority and numbers, the majority of the players left back in November after the first big patch, when the SP rate was still awfull so I really doubt they got far into the game, but still they got to make the poll, so I would dare to say that the majority was right by saying that the game wasn't fun, but they didn't know what they were talking about when they were talking about battle system, NM and drops if you really wanna talk about numbers you have to take this into account.

no that's not fair. facts are not allowed. i mean just because i voted for drastic changes myself does not mean this is anywhere near the drastic changes i wanted.

i wonder how many people that voted for drastic changes would have voted yes if they asked "do you want us to drastically make this game super easy to where a 5 year old kid can do it"? i know i am one vote that voted for major changes that would have changed my vote.