Relationships of the Twelve

[murf]

I already gave you my thoughts personally over Mumble. The only thing I can think to add now would be to add their titles to their names. Nothing major, or even prominent. But considering you've got all that extra info such as astral/umbral, gender, element, etc. that their titles is glaringly absent.

Example:
Rhalgr
The Destroyer

[Anonymoose]

The only thing I can think to add now would be to add their titles to their names.

Freaking knew I forgot something.

• Titles
• Bold elder siblings

[Deli]

I already gave you my thoughts personally over Mumble. The only thing I can think to add now would be to add their titles to their names. Nothing major, or even prominent. But considering you've got all that extra info such as astral/umbral, gender, element, etc. that their titles is glaringly absent.

Example:
Rhalgr
The Destroyer

hmm i think it's ok... just the lines' color are very closed to each other and 8 relationships need to check back and forth a lot...

[Yrusama]

Umbral isn't necessarily the evil to astral's good so much as the difficulty to its payoff, or the foundation below to the matters above.

I'll accept that. It reminds me of how everything in Greek mythology began with Chaos. Things started to become more structured, and the titans and gods were the manifestations of that structure. The Twelve mythos seems to emphasize that idea best.

This probably would be overthinking at, as legend states that Yoshida-san is the one who asked to bring Dalamud down and disregard its original purpose (which may very well have been to explore it).

True. I guess I meant that the original Loremasters were not aware that Dalamud would be repurposed. It might have been a major story arc, but not on the scale we have now. I'm curious what they originally planned for it, and how it would tie in to the starshower and the echo.

[jesseleewelch]

To the OP,

There are still questions that need to be answered before your chart can be considered usable or complete. Who was Azeyma's mother? We know her father was Althyk but we don't know who her mother is. Who is the father of Nophica? We know her mother is Azeyma but we know not who her father is. I realize you already addressed this in your opening post under the "possible questions" section, but these are serious holes that still need to be addressed.

[Xeia]

To the OP,

There are still questions that need to be answered before your chart can be considered usable or complete. Who was Azeyma's mother? We know her father was Althyk but we don't know who her mother is. Who is the father of Nophica? We know her mother is Azeyma but we know not who her father is. I realize you already addressed this in your opening post under the "possible questions" section, but these are serious holes that still need to be addressed.

It also doesn't address either parent for many of them. There's a very real possibility not all gods have parents, and those that have at least one may not have another. While we're all interested in knowing what fills in the blanks we have, they're not necessarily serious holes.

The only serious hole I see is that we don't know where the other holes are. >_>;

[Anonymoose]

There are still questions that need to be answered before your chart can be considered usable or complete.

Considering that this chart was built using all of the information given thus far, in a format easier to follow than others have been, for the purpose of using it as a visual aid to ask questions about these holes, I do believe you've discovered the reason I made the chart. And this thread.

Perhaps when Fernehalwes is done with the mountain of work he's buried under (and hopefully gets some time with the new family voidsent), he'll pop in and clear those up and my updated chart will be considered worth something.

[jesseleewelch]

Considering that this chart was built using all of the information given thus far, in a format easier to follow than others have been, for the purpose of using it as a visual aid to ask questions about these holes, I do believe you've discovered the reason I made the chart. And this thread.

Perhaps when Fernehalwes is done with the mountain of work he's buried under (and hopefully gets some time with the new family voidsent), he'll pop in and clear those up and my updated chart will be considered worth something.

It wasn't my intention to belittle your efforts, you have made a lot of great contributions to the lore forum which I personally appreciate. I am a bit concerned that Fernehalwes' last post was back in April but hopefully someone will be able to resolve these lore-holes soon. The Twelve are likely to play a big part in this game so I want to understand them as clearly as I can.

[Anonymoose]

It wasn't my intention to belittle your efforts, you have made a lot of great contributions to the lore forum which I personally appreciate. I am a bit concerned that Fernehalwes' last post was back in April but hopefully someone will be able to resolve these lore-holes soon. The Twelve are likely to play a big part in this game so I want to understand them as clearly as I can.

Don't worry, I'm super hard to offend; my replies are just always in the same tone as the context, lol.

Phases 1 & 2 of the ARR Beta, which mostly tested the core systems of the game, took place in only one of the five major regions we have access to and contained only a small percentage of the quests we'll have and only a few of the classes we'll have access to. The upcoming Phases 3 & 4 will be pretty much the entire game. As you can imagine, that's an enormous amount of text that needs localizing from Japanese to English - and remember, it's more than just translation - Ferne's team needs to come up with names for quests, attacks, and monsters that work in English as well as change the references, jokes, and wordplay to things English-speakers will be familiar with.

Aaaand he's got E3 to prepare for, which is going to include the first-ever English Letter from the Producer LIVE. Ferne usually catches up with us during the quieter times when new content is still in development and he's got time to quash bugs and do community outreach. His inactivity just means he's buried.

As for the Twelve, there certainly are gaps in the story, which I hope are addressed at some point - but I have a feeling that I already know what the answer will be: It's meant to be vague. These are myths and legends about beings that may or may not have existed, performing actions that may or may not have been as awesome as the stories about them claim, which may or may not have just been misunderstood magic and technology. Who was shacking up with who probably isn't any better recorded in the history books, and on top of that it's based on the Greek pantheon, which was full of anonymous mortals and incest and all sorts of goodies you probably don't elaborate on in a gamed rated [T].

Like, you, though, I'm going to hope for a [dis?]confirmation at some point and put off V2 of that there chart until then.

[jesseleewelch]

Don't worry, I'm super hard to offend; my replies are just always in the same tone as the context, lol.

Phases 1 & 2 of the ARR Beta, which mostly tested the core systems of the game, took place in only one of the five major regions we have access to and contained only a small percentage of the quests we'll have and only a few of the classes we'll have access to. The upcoming Phases 3 & 4 will be pretty much the entire game. As you can imagine, that's an enormous amount of text that needs localizing from Japanese to English - and remember, it's more than just translation - Ferne's team needs to come up with names for quests, attacks, and monsters that work in English as well as change the references, jokes, and wordplay to things English-speakers will be familiar with.

Aaaand he's got E3 to prepare for, which is going to include the first-ever English Letter from the Producer LIVE. Ferne usually catches up with us during the quieter times when new content is still in development and he's got time to quash bugs and do community outreach. His inactivity just means he's buried.

As for the Twelve, there certainly are gaps in the story, which I hope are addressed at some point - but I have a feeling that I already know what the answer will be: It's meant to be vague. These are myths and legends about beings that may or may not have existed, performing actions that may or may not have been as awesome as the stories about them claim, which may or may not have just been misunderstood magic and technology. Who was shacking up with who probably isn't any better recorded in the history books, and on top of that it's based on the Greek pantheon, which was full of anonymous mortals and incest and all sorts of goodies you probably don't elaborate on in a gamed rated [T].

Like, you, though, I'm going to hope for a [dis?]confirmation at some point and put off V2 of that there chart until then.

*Liked*

Since you are working on a chart of your own, I figured I should share what I have found in my hours of searching. Possible leads maybe?




Source:

http://ffxiv-ramesses.blogspot.com/2...be-ffxivs.html

Granted this is from back in 2010, but it seems to agree with the work you have done so far and I doubt they will change it up. I hope you are right about Ferne returning to us soon. In the meantime, I will keep searching in vain for answers lol. I get the feeling that our choice in diety is going to hold some kind of meaning at some point or else why do it? I am a hyur but I went with Azeyma simply because I like fire. Hoping it doesn't affect me later.

On the plus side, this would seem to answer one of the questions you posed in your opening post. You asked which parent Llymlaen and Nophica are related through. If this information is correct, they are the daughters of Thaliak & Azeyma.