So 1.0 owners have to start paying the monthly fee immediately?

[Duuude007]

If you don't see a problem with giving people cause to think that they're getting something and not giving it, well, that's your opinion.

If that were what I was actually thinking, I would tell you.

• You are asserting that 1.x people aren't getting free time to check out the game, unrelated to the 1 month subscription offered via ARR purchase.
• I am asserting that 1.x people are getting free time to check out the game, and that it is unrelated to the 1 month subscription offered via ARR purchase.

Agree to disagree.

[Abriael]

• You think that 1.x people aren't getting free time to check out the game, unrelated to the 1 month subscription offered via preorder.
• I am saying that 1.x people are getting free time to check out the game, and that it is unrelated to the 1 month subscription offered via preorder.

They're getting "free time" (Which isn't really free, betas are a give and take affair, gameplay in exchange of testing and feedback, which is why no one calls betas "free trial") on something that isn't the complete/fully polished version of the game.

Many of the 1.0 people are already jaded towards the game (on top of the fact that a LOT of them expect to receive game time as a freebie, because that's what SE's wording led them to expect). Would you seriously try to win someone's lost trust back with something that's anything less than fully polished/flashed out?

Don't know about you, but if I was Square Enix I'd bring my A game in order to win their trust back, and a beta isn't one's A game.

[Duuude007]

They're getting "free time" (Which isn't really free, betas are a give and take affair, gameplay in exchange of testing) on something that isn't the complete/fully polished version of the game.

Neither is a demo. Neither is a trial play on many games. There is a limit to how far or long you can go before you hit a pay wall.

[Pandemonium]

Yes they did.

I quote from this document:

"Reinstate limited free trial period for PC version"

and then two to three months later:

"Free trial period ends"

There aren't any other ways you can interpret that.

I love how you are quoting from a document you haven't read and understood properly yourself, so lets make it clear again:

・September to October 2012 – Begin distribution of version 2.0 software for PC

- Begin distribution of PlayStation®3 system beta version

・October to November 2012 – Reinstate limited free trial period for PC version

- Commence PlayStation®3 system closed beta test

・Post-January 2013 – Version 2.0 client (PC and PlayStation®3 system) goes on sale
- Free trial period end

*The aforementioned dates are subject to change.


~ The free trial you are getting, is called an open beta. Everyone is allowed to participate, that is why it's open.

As for those who are paying for a new copy of a game, which they would normally get for free as a current account holder, this "30 day free trial" is actually just part of what they are paying for in getting a new copy of the game. Once again, as 95% of this thread are pointing out "Stop being so entitled".

[Abriael]

Neither is a demo. Neither is a trial play on many games. There is a limit to how far or long you can go before you hit a pay wall.

Demos and limited trials are parts of a game that are normally polished and repolished like diamonds in order to show it under the best light and to entice the customer to a purchase. That's not the case of any beta.

Most other games also don't have to bear the burden of the legacy of a disastrously failed predecessor. SE needs to go at the skeptics in full swing if they want to win them back.

I love how you are quoting from a document you haven't read and understood properly yourself

I'm obviously not the only one that read it like that, as that's the general perception of what that document means outside this small community. And even here, as for "95%", you may want to redo your math because it's direly incorrect.

I'm not the one that decided to use the definition "Beta" for the PS3 version and "Free Trial" for PC. If they both were intended to be betas, they should have both been called beta when they were mentioned on the same line of the same document. That's communication 101.

No one in the industry ever officially defines a beta "free trial", so those that interpreted "free trial" as an actual free trial, using the definition that Square Enix always used for "free trial", cannot be blamed.

[Duuude007]

No one in the industry ever officially defines a beta "free trial", so those that interpreted "free trial" as an actual free trial, using the definition that Square Enix always used for "free trial", cannot be blamed.

I guess we found an exception. Let's call the jargon police to settle this.

Really, you are complaining that 1.0 players were first going to be granted free access and later weren't, based on a quote which was only referring to an unrelated post-launch bonus for people who purchase ARR.

[Lokixak]

Didn't we actually get such free trial back in sept? Iirc some people didn't get legacy due to that last month of 1.0 being free. Which was for ppl who still had an active SE account and had not played since earlier states of 1.0 no?

[Abriael]

I guess we found an exception. Let's call the jargon police to settle this.

It doesn't matter. The "jargon police" are all the potential customers that have been led by Se's own wording to expect something that they won't get. When people don't get something they've been led to expect, they get disappointed, and that doesn't help.

Really, you are complaining that 1.0 players were first going to be granted free access and later weren't, based on a quote which was only referring to an unrelated post-launch bonus for people who get ARR pre-orders.

umh no? I never based it on a quote referring to an unrelated post-launch bonus. I'm not sure where you got that?

Didn't we actually get such free trial back in sept? Iirc some people didn't get legacy due to that last month of 1.0 being free. Which was for ppl who still had an active SE account and had not played since earlier states of 1.0 no?

ARR didn't exist back then. What were you gonna try, 1.0? Can't have a free trial of a game by using something that doesn't in any shape or form represent it.

[Duuude007]

umh no? I never based it on a quote referring to an unrelated post-launch bonus. I'm not sure where you got that?

In your OP:

FFXIV:ARR includes 30 free days of playtime with purchase for new accounts. However, even though players who own FFXIV Version 1.0 will receive FFXIV:ARR for free, this does not include the 30 free days of play.

[Abriael]

In your OP:

That's not an unrelated post launch bonus. It's directly related to the issue at hand, as it clearly states that existing 1.0 players won't get the free month.