So 1.0 owners have to start paying the monthly fee immediately?

[Abriael]

hold on here, sorry to point it out but the free trial you seem to think is months long was never stated to be months long.

It states from "October-november" to "post-January". That's "months long" under every possible definition.

The original document didn't place that period before the shut down of 1.0, but after 2.0 is ready.

You're basically implying that it'd be a free trial of 1.0, which it wasn't.

[Duuude007]

hold on here, sorry to point it out but the free trial you seem to think is months long was never stated to be months long.

You do know they did reinstate the free trial 30 day period for anyone with an active account from sept 29-nov1 2012(end save date)? They may have put this here to fulfill what they said who knows. Notice how that's the time period on your roadmap you posted free trial would start oct-nov and end after ARR release with no set amount of time after.

I do agree yes it would be a good idea to have a period for those skeptical returning, but as for specifics on how long a free trial would be it's not said anywhere it would be 3 months. You just assumed that based on it saying it would give a free trial in oct-nov and billing would resume sometime after release which they estimated at Jan back then.

"In order to play the current FINAL FANTASY XIV for free until the end of service, please read the details below according to the situation that applies to you."

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...e57e858ee82098

Also it doesn't say anything about game will be down for 9 months or that beta 4 would save progress made. There are lots of things not in that original roadmap which the dates of release are off by like 7-8 months and which the free trial resumes was given at the exact time they said it would oddly enough.

Exactly. They are inventing promises that never existed.

[Holy_Dragoon]

I see both sides of this argument, I really do. I think Abriael's post hits the nail though dead on. Many people are waiting for the official release to try ARR. They are skipping the Beta phases while SE works out the kinks. It is highly possible without the chance to play even a little bit at retail, that they players might just simply skip out on this excellent looking re-imagining.

It personally does not bother me, as I am subbing anyway, but there is a strong point to be made here about potential returning customers that are just waiting to try the complete game since they purchased it nearly 3 years ago. I'm even fine with tweaking the trial to a shorter period, but at least let the people who are waiting for August 27th (not playing betas for whatever reason) a chance to try the game.

[ArkhamNative]

So far the official word is: "FFXIV:ARR includes 30 free days of playtime with purchase for new accounts. However, even though players who own FFXIV Version 1.0 will receive FFXIV:ARR for free, this does not include the 30 free days of play."

Anything else is *cough* unofficial until they post it here or on the Lodestone.

[Drewbie]

Limited is what it says not 30 days so that could be any amount of time No?

[Abriael]

So far the official word is: "FFXIV:ARR includes 30 free days of playtime with purchase for new accounts. However, even though players who own FFXIV Version 1.0 will receive FFXIV:ARR for free, this does not include the 30 free days of play."

Anything else is *cough* unofficial until they post it here or on the Lodestone.

You mean like this document, that was posted on the lodestone?

Limited is what it says not 30 days so that could be any amount of time No?

It clearly specifies a start timeframe and an end timeframe.

Exactly. They are inventing promises that never existed.

Only, he completely misinterpreted the document. According to his skewed interpretation, the "free trial" was a trial of 1.0, which obviously wasn't the case.

[Keku]

and at no point does it say the game will be active during this time. It would all be pre-release notice how the trial ends after "release" and starts months before?

Client goes on sale in Jan, which means oct-nov would all be prior, considering you are saying early access is completely different this would actually state we get 2-3 months early access and a trial of undetermined time after the release. (which we are obviously not unless you include beta which I also agree is not a trial period. There is so much in that original roadmap that is not even close.

"Post-January 2013 – Version 2.0 client (PC and PlayStation®3 system) goes on sale" notice your free period you think is "clearly" for 2.0 is before release of 2.0 by 3 months? (based on original dates)

I agree it would be good marketing to get people who quit back, that I am not arguing.

It states from "October-november" to "post-January". That's "months long" under every possible definition.

They gave the free period from oct-nov as I posted and the game was down after that, which may be what they intended and then another free period after of undetermined time. I don't see how that's months as they never state the game will be up, technically they haven't charged for 9 months by release but yes there is no game to play and the free trial did start oct 2012 in which we did get 1 month free.

[Abriael]

I see both sides of this argument, I really do. I think Abriael's post hits the nail though dead on. Many people are waiting for the official release to try ARR. They are skipping the Beta phases while SE works out the kinks. It is highly possible without the chance to play even a little bit at retail, that they players might just simply skip out on this excellent looking re-imagining.

It personally does not bother me, as I am subbing anyway, but there is a strong point to be made here about potential returning customers that are just waiting to try the complete game since they purchased it nearly 3 years ago. I'm even fine with tweaking the trial to a shorter period, but at least let the people who are waiting for August 27th (not playing betas for whatever reason) a chance to try the game.

Exactly, but the SE defense force has to take it personally and defend it no matter what.

They gave the free period from oct-nov as I posted and the game was down after that, which may be what they intended and then another free period after of undetermined time. I don't see how that's months as they never state the game will be up, technically they haven't charged for 9 months by release but yes there is no game to play and the free trial did start oct 2012 in which we did get 1 month free.

Forgive me, but you don't get it. The free trial period was of 2.0, not of 1.0.

The free period they gave was with 1.0. You're not making any sense, and it doesn't make any sense to give a "free trial" of an old failed game.

We got absolutely no free trial with 2.0, and we aren't getting any.

[ArkhamNative]

You mean like this document, that was posted on the lodestone?

The one that says "Reinstate limited free trial period for PC version"? Well, that is outdated info, posted October 2011, but that seems like a reasonable thing for SE to offer. My point was that they haven't announced details for ARR, in 2013, yet. Publicly.

It clearly specifies a start timeframe and an end timeframe.

Yes, starting some time between October and November 2012. The PS3 beta was to start then, too, according to that document.

[Abriael]

The one that says "Reinstate limited free trial period for PC version"? Well, that is outdated info, posted October 2011, but that seems like a reasonable thing for SE to offer. My point was that they haven't announced details for ARR, in 2013, yet. Publicly.

Yep, but when you make a promise to your customers that promise doesn't just disappear because the dates on the document become outdated.

There are going to be a whole lot of people pissed when they learn that the promised free trial isn't going to happen.