Scholar... SAY WHUT?

[Bowen]

Since this topic has gotten out of hand, let's go through a couple of points for both sides to reorganize ourselves:

Bold = Fact or not being argued
Italicized = Being argued/Inaccurate
Scholar:
• Looks like FFXI Scholar's AF.
• The other characters in the foreground of the wallpaper are all jobs.
• It's possible that they're working on adding more classes/jobs.
• There was that one datamined image of text saying "Scholar Unlocked!"
• Conjurer and Thaumaturge use similar weapons, why can't Arcanist and Scholar?

Arcanist:
• Arcanist has already been confirmed to wield Grimoires/Books.
• It's at the other end of the wallpaper as the Summoner.
• Arcanists from Mealvaan's Gate have been referred to as scholars in the game before.
• Class-specific gear has been mentioned before.

Reply with more points and I'll add them.

[Fantasia]

Arcanist:
• Arcanist has already been confirmed to wield Grimoires/Books.
• It's at the other end of the wallpaper as the Summoner.
• Arcanists from Mealvaan's Gate have been referred to as scholars in the game before.
• Class-specific gear has been mentioned before.

Pro-SCH, could add that THM and CNJ both use wands/staves, so SCH weapon could be a Tome instead of a Grimoire

[Bowen]

Pro-SCH, could add that THM and CNJ both use wands/staves, so SCH weapon could be a Tome instead of a Grimoire

Whoops, sorry.

I would've put that one, but I think saying that THM and CNJ both use Wands/Staves is inaccurate.

[Fantasia]

I would've put that one, but I think saying that THM and CNJ both use Wands/Staves is inaccurate.

How so?

(Just to be clear, I'm fine by your decision I'm just curious as to how it's different)

[Bowen]

How so?

(Just to be clear, I'm fine by your decision I'm just curious as to how it's different)

While they're certainly similar looking, there was originally a huge distinction between the two. Thaumaturges use Scepters and Staves. Conjurers use Wands and Radicals.

Here are the definitions for them according to Gamerescape:
Scepter vs Wand

A scepter is a short rod made of metal and/or bone, within which is housed a medium -- a natural stone imbued with magical properties. Scepters are arms of the Thaumaturge.

A wand is a short rod made of unworked wood which is used to focus aether until it manifests as a desired spell. Wands are arms of the Conjurer.

Staff vs Radical

A staff is a long rod made of metal and/or bone, within which is housed a medium -- a natural stone imbued with magical properties. Staffs (also called "staves") are arms of the Thaumaturge.

A radical is a long rod made of unworked wood which is used to focus aether until it manifests as a desired spell. Radicals are arms of the Conjurer.

Saying they're the same thing is like saying lions and tigers are the same because they're both felines.

[Fantasia]

/snip!

That's fair enough, thanks for the clarification!

Just to mull over; we know that ACN Grimoires are made and repaired by Alchemists, and it is probably due to their magical nature (i.e. summoning beasts from within the pages).

SCHs, on the other hand, would just use Tomes due to the knowledge they hold within, so it's pretty simple to draw differences between the Tomes and Grimoires if we see one as a book imbued with a magical essence whilst the other is just an encyclopaedia of spells.

Therefore the similarities between the two would be the same as those between the THM and CNJ weapons.

[Bowen]

SCHs, on the other hand, would just use Tomes due to the knowledge they hold within, so it's pretty simple to draw differences between the Tomes and Grimoires if we see one as a book imbued with a magical essence whilst the other is just an encyclopaedia of spells.

Therefore the similarities between the two would be the same as those between the THM and CNJ weapons.

See, that's a better way to state the argument.