Are minions (vanity pets) going to cost real money?

[ArkhamNative]

You guys are getting schooled. To wit: Anatomy of a troll:

1. Assert something opposite what developers have said (cash shop / free to play) as very likely:

probably going to cost real money

2. Feint at harsh responses to draw in the unaware:

I was just asking if minions are going to cost money

3. Feign disinterest yet sneak in the original controversy:

I don't really mind if they cost money if the game is gonna be free, I'm just asking.

4. Appeal to lack of absolute certainty in anything:

you guys don't think there's ANY chance that they're making the vanity pets with microtransactions in mind? It seems clear as day to me

5. Repeat all the above:

NO chance? Seriously? but anyway, usually these types of cosmetic items are bought with microtransactions which is why I asked. it looks like they're planning for a cash shop. I'm ok with it though, probably won't buy them anyway unless they do a wyvern

Repeat #2 & #3 (note change of "probable" to possible):

I haven't advertised anything as fact or made any accusations, this thread was posed as a question. ... I'm just saying it seems like a POSSIBILITY. that much is true! I never said the minions are for sure going to cost cash. I think most realistically there will be some ingame minions and some cash shop ones.

Repeat #1:

... I'm probably going to get flamed for this but when I saw the Magitek the first thing I thought was 'cash shop mount'

Interest in original fading, assert something similar contrary to reason:

completely untrue, FFXI has had tons of microtransactions over the years ... look I'm just saying it seems like a given , but yeah I know there's no official info.

Repeat, Repeat, Repeat.

[Abriael]

You guys are getting schooled. To wit: Anatomy of a troll:

1. Assert something opposite what developers have said (cash shop / free to play) as very likely:


2. Feint at harsh responses to draw in the unaware:


3. Feign disinterest yet sneak in the original controversy:


4. Appeal to lack of absolute certainty in anything:


5. Repeat all the above:


Repeat #2 & #3 (note change of "probable" to possible):


Repeat #1:


Interest in original fading, assert something similar contrary to reason:


Repeat, Repeat, Repeat.

Lovely analysis. Not that it wasn't identified on page 1 (and on every single thread he started or took part in since he joined the forums), but he does provide some entertainment in shredding his false and witless arguments to pieces.

[ClausL]

And i'm laughing so hard at you randomly dropping the definition of "RMT" associating it to something that has absolutely nothing to do with it.

RMT is trading real-money for virtual goods.

In FFXI, people paid real-money for virtuals good, no?

Basically, all you are saying is, you're totally fine with FFXIV doing microtransactions, but they have to masquerade it as something that it isn't.

You don't think there's aaaaanything wrong with, for example, a huge bonus bag that doubles your storage, if they send us some cheap piece of plastic that costed 25 cents to make.

[ArkhamNative]

Lovely analysis. Not that it wasn't identified on page 1 (and on every single thread he started or took part in since he joined the forums), but he does provide some entertainment in shredding his false and witless arguments to pieces.

But it is destructive to all parties and there is no victor.

[ClausL]

You guys are getting schooled. To wit: Anatomy of a troll:

1. Assert something opposite what developers have said (cash shop / free to play) as very likely:


2. Feint at harsh responses to draw in the unaware:


3. Feign disinterest yet sneak in the original controversy:


4. Appeal to lack of absolute certainty in anything:


5. Repeat all the above:


Repeat #2 & #3 (note change of "probable" to possible):


Repeat #1:


Interest in original fading, assert something similar contrary to reason:


Repeat, Repeat, Repeat.

You forgot to include the possibility that maybe I'm not a 'troll' and I just have a different viewpoint than the rest of the forum. That doesn't automatically make me a troll.

I am:

A Final Fantasy fan
A Final Fantasy XIV owner and beta tester
A Final Fantasy XI player for over 6 years
I want XIV to succeed
I do expect microtransactions and possibly a free-to-play model

I'm not saying that to get people upset, I just have an opinion. Abriael just gets upset at everything, especially anything that would dare question Square Enix's business practices. That doesn't mean it was my intent to 'troll'.

[Abriael]

RMT is trading real-money for virtual goods.

No, RMT is the unlawful trade of in-game currency for real money.

In FFXI, people paid real-money for virtuals good, no?

No, they paid real money for real goods (security tokens, necklaces and so forth). They paid nothing for the virtual goods.

Basically, all you are saying is, you're totally fine with FFXIV doing microtransactions, but they have to masquerade it as something that it isn't.

No, I'm totally fine with them doing something that has nothing to do with microtransactions whatsoever, either factually, commercially or legally.

You don't think there's aaaaanything wrong with, for example, a huge bonus bag that doubles your storage, if they send us some cheap piece of plastic that costed 25 cents to make.

Strawman and hypebolic argument for the sake of fallacy. Dismissed.

You forgot to include the possibility that maybe I'm not a 'troll' and I just have a different viewpoint than the rest of the forum. That doesn't automatically make me a troll.

Your posting history clearly disproves this.

I'm not saying that to get people upset, I just have an opinion. Abriael just gets upset at everything

Demolishing evidently false and reality-warping arguments does not equate to getting upset.

[ClausL]

No, they paid real money for real goods (security tokens, necklaces and so forth). They paid nothing for the virtual goods.

You can make that disconnect if it makes you feel better, but those bonus storage packs and bonus abilities in FFXI could not be obtained unless you paid extra, real-money on top of your subscription.

It was just a cleverly disguised way to sell virtual items, if you ask me.

But I'll go along with your logic...

The fact still remains that you couldn't get several bonus abilities and storage expansions in FFXI without paying extra ($10-$100+ per). Even if it was linked to a physical item, you couldn't get that stuff without paying extra on top of your sub.

[Abriael]

You can make that disconnect if it makes you feel better, but those bonus storage packs and bonus abilities in FFXI could not be obtained unless you paid extra, real-money on top of your subscription.

Only, it's not a disconnect. It's a fact. You can't purchase the in-game item as is from SE in any way or form. You're purchasing the real item. And the in-game item is only granted as a one-time free bonus. Again, that's an undeniable fact.

And mind you, you also show a massive amount of ignorance on the reasons behind the satchel as a bonus. Anyone that played FFXI knows very well why it was granted, and it is to further encourage people to use the security token in view of the rampant wave of account thefts that plagued the game. Most games that have a security token do that, to improve account security across the board.

The security token was the point, not the bonus. If they just wanted to monetize, they'd just offer the in-game item separately, but they don't, completely disproving your theories.

[ClausL]

My point is that you had to pay extra on top of your subscription to access certain game features

If I wanted to maximize my character's storage, I had to pay an extra $10 on top of my subscription, even if it was connected to the security token.

If I wanted the R/EX Talisman in-game, I had to drop $40

so I don't see why it's outside the realm of possibility for Square Enix to offer paid content in some form for XIV: ARR.

[Abriael]

My point is that you had to pay extra on top of your subscription to access certain game features

You don't have a point, and as a matter of fact those are not "game features" in any shape of form.

If I wanted to maximize my character's storage, I had to pay an extra $10 on top of my subscription, even if it was connected to the security token.

It was not just connected to the security token. It was a free bonus for the purchase of the the security token. The security token was the point, not the satchel.

If you purchased a security token that you're not gonna use just to get the item, it's your choice only and you're the one missing the point of the offer.

It's a matter of fact that if Square Enix really wanted to monetize on in-game items they could have done so plenty (and making more of a profit) by selling the in-game item as-is. They did not, and this disproves your theory fully and with no recourse.