Are minions (vanity pets) going to cost real money?

[Abriael]

RMT is trading real-money for virtual goods.

No, RMT is the unlawful trade of in-game currency for real money.

In FFXI, people paid real-money for virtuals good, no?

No, they paid real money for real goods (security tokens, necklaces and so forth). They paid nothing for the virtual goods.

Basically, all you are saying is, you're totally fine with FFXIV doing microtransactions, but they have to masquerade it as something that it isn't.

No, I'm totally fine with them doing something that has nothing to do with microtransactions whatsoever, either factually, commercially or legally.

You don't think there's aaaaanything wrong with, for example, a huge bonus bag that doubles your storage, if they send us some cheap piece of plastic that costed 25 cents to make.

Strawman and hypebolic argument for the sake of fallacy. Dismissed.

You forgot to include the possibility that maybe I'm not a 'troll' and I just have a different viewpoint than the rest of the forum. That doesn't automatically make me a troll.

Your posting history clearly disproves this.

I'm not saying that to get people upset, I just have an opinion. Abriael just gets upset at everything

Demolishing evidently false and reality-warping arguments does not equate to getting upset.

[ClausL]

No, they paid real money for real goods (security tokens, necklaces and so forth). They paid nothing for the virtual goods.

You can make that disconnect if it makes you feel better, but those bonus storage packs and bonus abilities in FFXI could not be obtained unless you paid extra, real-money on top of your subscription.

It was just a cleverly disguised way to sell virtual items, if you ask me.

But I'll go along with your logic...

The fact still remains that you couldn't get several bonus abilities and storage expansions in FFXI without paying extra ($10-$100+ per). Even if it was linked to a physical item, you couldn't get that stuff without paying extra on top of your sub.

[Abriael]

You can make that disconnect if it makes you feel better, but those bonus storage packs and bonus abilities in FFXI could not be obtained unless you paid extra, real-money on top of your subscription.

Only, it's not a disconnect. It's a fact. You can't purchase the in-game item as is from SE in any way or form. You're purchasing the real item. And the in-game item is only granted as a one-time free bonus. Again, that's an undeniable fact.

And mind you, you also show a massive amount of ignorance on the reasons behind the satchel as a bonus. Anyone that played FFXI knows very well why it was granted, and it is to further encourage people to use the security token in view of the rampant wave of account thefts that plagued the game. Most games that have a security token do that, to improve account security across the board.

The security token was the point, not the bonus. If they just wanted to monetize, they'd just offer the in-game item separately, but they don't, completely disproving your theories.

[Kallera]

You can make that disconnect if it makes you feel better, but those bonus storage packs and bonus abilities in FFXI could not be obtained unless you paid extra, real-money on top of your subscription.

It was just a cleverly disguised way to sell virtual items, if you ask me.

But I'll go along with your logic...

The fact still remains that you couldn't get several bonus abilities and storage expansions in FFXI without paying extra ($10-$100+ per). Even if it was linked to a physical item, you couldn't get that stuff without paying extra on top of your sub.

With the ability to expand your inventory and teleporting already in the game, the virtual abilities were not at all needed to enjoy the game's highest content, nor were existing services restricted to make players buy the goods. People that were buying the necklace really were buying them for the necklace. Because teleports and warps were not at all expensive and were doled out easily in any party going somewhere.

[ClausL]

With the ability to expand your inventory and teleporting already in the game, the virtual abilities were not at all needed to enjoy the game's highest content, nor were existing services restricted to make players buy the goods. People that were buying the necklace really were buying them for the necklace. Because teleports and warps were not at all expensive and were doled out easily in any party going somewhere.

inventory and storage space was always a huge problem in XI, and there was no way to expand your storage space to the extent that the Mog Satchel ($10) did, without paying extra.

If you played FFXI even remotely seriously, you HAD to buy that satchel.

As for the Tidal Talisman party teleport cloak ($40) it wasn't as essential as the satchel, but it still did offer a unique teleport that you could not get through other methods (there was no teleport spells which let you warp your whole party from city to city like that)

[Abriael]

inventory and storage space was always a huge problem in XI, and there was no way to expand your storage space to the extent that the Mog Satchel ($10) did, without paying extra.

If you played FFXI even remotely seriously, you HAD to buy that satchel.

As for the Tidal Talisman party teleport cloak ($40) it wasn't as essential as the satchel, but it still did offer a unique teleport that you could not get through other methods (there was no teleport spells which let you warp your whole party from city to city like that)

And they still weren't microtransactions, as you simply could not purchase them.

The simple fact is that FFXI never had microtransactions or cash shops, as much as you try (and fail very hard) to misrepresent reality and warp the facts to hint that it did.

[ClausL]

And they still weren't microtransactions, as you simply could not purchase them.

The simple fact is that FFXI never had microtransactions or cash shops, as much as you try (and fail very hard) to misrepresent reality and warp the facts to hint that it did.

You don't have to purchase microtransactions either?

and even if we're not labeling things like the Tidal Talisman teleport skills, and Mog Satchel inventory expansions as microtransactions, they were still game content which required users to pay extra on top of their sub, if you wanted them. You couldn't get that stuff on just a subscription.

[Abriael]

You don't have to purchase microtransactions either?

Yes you do. Microtransactions involve by definition a purchase of the item in question. You're not purchasing the in-game item, so it's simply not a microtransaction.

and even if we're not labeling things like the Tidal Talisman teleport skills, and Mog Satchel inventory expansions as microtransactions, they were still game content which required users to pay extra on top of their sub, if you wanted them. You couldn't get that stuff on just a subscription.

Which has nothing to do with this thread, as this thread is about pets costing real money. A pet that would be granted as a bonus for a real item wuld not cost anything, as you factually pay for the item, not for the pet, which is free.

[Kallera]

If you played FFXI even remotely seriously, you HAD to buy that satchel.

With up to 320 spaces of inventory that you can upgrade to through normal gameplay and a few from the storage in the house and slots in the mailing system, I'd say you're full of it.