Seriously 3-5 minute repop on NMs?

[Clydey]

I was talking about the flat out timmers for nms. When I say 3~24 I'm not including windows. As Abriael said though, it's pretty much the same effect. The windows were in place to combat the same ls claiming over and over again with the other situation you talked about.

Well, there's actually a huge difference because it isn't much of a time sink if you only have to wait, for example, half an hour. Take an NM that pops every 24 hours, but you know that it will pop within a half hour window. It ceases to be a time sink. What is the issue with that?

[Abriael]

Well, there's actually a huge difference because it isn't much of a time sink if you only have to wait, for example, half an hour. Take an NM that pops every 24 hours, but you know that it will pop within a half hour window. It ceases to be a time sink. What is the issue with that?

The issue is that the spawn becomes predictable, causing severe overcamping, meaning that most people will have to still camp it for several tens of spawns to even get a shot at the mob, turning the whole encounter into a timesink.

[Clydey]

The issue is that the spawn becomes predictable, causing severe overcamping, meaning that most people will have to still camp it for several tens of spawns to even get a shot at the mob, turning the whole encounter into a timesink.

All spawns are going to be predictable to some extent. There is no getting away from that.

[Carmillia]

it isn't much of a time sink if you only have to wait, for example, half an hour.

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[Clydey]

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Bolding certain words only succeeds in stripping my statement of its context. What you seem to be suggesting is that we shouldn't have to wait at all. Are you advocating global pop NMs?

[CrystalWeapon]

Well, there's actually a huge difference because it isn't much of a time sink if you only have to wait, for example, half an hour. Take an NM that pops every 24 hours, but you know that it will pop within a half hour window. It ceases to be a time sink. What is the issue with that?

You know as well as I do that the window for a lot of big NMs in XI was alot longer than 30 mins. + read the end of the post you're quoting. It caused a fair deal of greedyness, botting, MPK'ing, and for lack of a better word assholeish behavior. :P the same would happen here if the NM's had large timmers.

[Clydey]

You know as well as I do that the window for a lot of big NMs in XI was alot longer than 30 mins. + read the end of the post you're quoting. It caused a fair deal of greedy, botting, MPK'ing, and for lack of a better word assholeish behavior. :P the same would happen here if the NM's had large timmers.

I know that. I'm suggesting 30 minute windows as some sort of compromise, however.

[CrystalWeapon]

I know that. I'm suggesting 30 minute windows as some sort of compromise, however.

It still wouldn't solve anything besides creating a mass of competition within the spawn windows as it was in XI. I don't get a sense of accomplishment quick claiming over 5 or so other parties. I get a sense of accomplishment when I kill something with a duo or trio that should take a whole party or more to kill. As mentioned earlier even XI is throwing away this notion of spending hours waiting for NMs.

I also don't really get this idea that everyone wants things spoon fed to them by having short timmers. If a NM takes 14 people to kill and takes 16 hours to spawn, guess what if that same nm took 30 mins to spawn, it would still take 14 people to kill it. It doesn't reduce the difficulty whatsoever. It just means the nm is alot more accessible regardless of your own personal play window. I love no lifing in mmo's, but I was never good at the waiting game. I feel annoyed sitting around waiting to kill something. That's time I could be using to farm, level, etc... It's even more annoying when you spend an entire night waiting for something to be outclaimed multiple times in a row on a nm that has a 1~3 hour repop.

[Clydey]

It still wouldn't solve anything besides creating a mass of competition within the spawn windows as it was in XI. I don't get a sense of accomplishment quick claiming over 5 or so other parties. I get a sense of accomplishment when I kill something with a duo or trio that should take a whole party or more to kill. As mentioned earlier even XI is throwing away this notion of spending hours waiting for NMs.

I also don't really get this idea that everyone wants things spoon fed to them by having short timmers. If a NM takes 14 people to kill and takes 16 hours to spawn, guess what if that same nm took 30 mins to spawn, it would still take 14 people to kill it. It doesn't reduce the difficulty whatsoever. It just means the nm is alot more accessible regardless of your own personal play window. I love no lifing in mmo's, but I was never good at the waiting game. I feel annoyed sitting around waiting to kill something. That's time I could be using to farm, level, etc... It's even more annoying when you spend an entire night waiting for something to be outclaimed multiple times in a row on a nm that has a 1~3 hour repop.

I have explained that it's about scarcity. To some people, the rarity of these fights is part of the appeal. It's not part of the appeal to you, and that is absolutely fine. But like I said, it is pointless vilifying those who do enjoy that aspect of the game. It is all about personal preference. I can beat you over the head with that I like all day, but it won't change what you like. No one is wrong here.

[Abriael]

And the hour cooldown?

Waiting doesn't add anything to a challenge. It adds to boredom.

I have explained that it's about scarcity. To some people, the rarity of these fights is part of the appeal. It's not part of the appeal to you, and that is absolutely fine. But like I said, it is pointless vilifying those who do enjoy that aspect of the game. It is all about personal preference. I can beat you over the head with that I like all day, but it won't change what you like. No one is wrong here.

Pushing to reduce access to content for other paying customers, whether intentional or not (and most of the times it's intentional) is still in effect a damaging attitude that deserves criticism.