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[Shurrikhan]

Sorry can't really answer the other questions, but wanted to try and hit on the Starshowers from one of my earlier posts. I felt that the First Starshower we saw, was the explosion from the Battle of Silvertear Skies. We saw the release of the Primals and this somehow coincided with our awakening of the Echo. But it's kind of confusing because all that took place within an Echo itself, because it happened 10 years prior to our arrival to whichever City-State we chose(opening scenes I mean). But maybe that's just what happens when the Echo awakens within people. They see the 'beginning' the Starshower. As for the Second Starshower, I feel that that was a vision of what comes down the road, Minfilia tells us about people with the Echo being able to see what happens down the road and they don't want to speak of it. Regardless of which direction that Second Starshower took us (Yoshi-P or Tanaka) there was going to be some kind of huge exploding ball. With Yoshi-P it became Dalamud. When the Second Starshower happens, we blackout/passout afterwards that could just be the side-effect of seeing down the rabbit-hole so to speak.

So to sum it up:
First Starshower: the release of the Primals.
Second Starshower: Dalamud.

I may be completely wrong, but hopefully I helped in some way.

What proof do we have that the primals, who allegedly preside over the Umbral/Astral cycles of the city-states for potentially millennia, were born only 10 years ago in the Battle of Silvertear Skies? That'd be as if the Imperials flew in and made an a pre-existant (even if non-chronological in latent forces) Eorzea self-aware.

What relationship do we have between the dragons and the primals?

Any theories on the huge disparity in Imperial involvement between the first (Tanaka) and second (Yoshida) versions of the "second starshower"?

Why call the return of a single imprisoned 'sin' (Dalamud) a starshower of its own? Even if the fragmentation was similar enough, the differences seem pretty vast.

Do we have any idea as to the length of the eras? What other changes did the Silvertear Battle Starshower mark?

[NoloeTazier]

What proof do we have that the primals, who allegedly preside over the Umbral/Astral cycles of the city-states for potentially millennia, were born only 10 years ago in the Battle of Silvertear Skies? That'd be as if the Imperials flew in and made an a pre-existant (even if non-chronological in latent forces) Eorzea self-aware.

What relationship do we have between the dragons and the primals?

Any theories on the huge disparity in Imperial involvement between the first (Tanaka) and second (Yoshida) versions of the "second starshower"?

Why call the return of a single imprisoned 'sin' (Dalamud) a starshower of its own? Even if the fragmentation was similar enough, the differences seem pretty vast.

Do we have any idea as to the length of the eras? What other changes did the Silvertear Battle Starshower mark?

I didn't say they were born, they were merely released. On top of that Paragons appeared shortly after the Battle of Silvertear Skies and began teaching the Beast tribes how to summon the "God" they worship. 1564 Sixth Astral (2 years after the Battle of Silvertear Skies) the Amalj'aa were able to finally summon Ifrit. That's just an example but after the Battle and being taught how to summon the Primals by the Paragons, the Beast tribes began to stop trading crystals to the City States because they needed them to summon.

As for Dravanians and Primals, there was a NPC in Ul'dah that said the Dravanians worshipped a Dragon God. Probably Bahamut, but could as easily be another Dragon.

We're told that the Imperials halted their advance after Ala Mhigo because (again after Battle of Silvertear Skies) a Primals was summoned. The popular theories in the thread at the moment are it was either Odin or Ramuh that appeared/was summoned, because the next obvious invasion point would be North East Twelveswood and the Sylph tribe reside in this area. This could also be why the Sylph are hesitant to use their Primal, because they summoned Ramuh once before and they witnessed the destruction and power.

The 2nd Starshower was nothing like the 1st, the falling 'stars' were red in nature. I wouldn't call the difference vast, if Tanaka had carried on and used Dalamud in this way, who's to say it wouldn't look similar. It was just my theory that:

First Starshower: the release of the Primals.
Second Starshower: Dalamud.

I created a Timeline you should check it out, I went through every piece of NPC dialogue, Cutscene, Lodestone post, and Newspaper Article from the 3 papers: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post916706
Lots of things happened that year, 1562 of the Sixth Astral Era.

[Shurrikhan]

I created a Timeline you should check it out, I went through every piece of NPC dialogue, Cutscene, Lodestone post, and Newspaper Article from the 3 papers: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post916706
Lots of things happened that year, 1562 of the Sixth Astral Era.

Great timeline. I can't thank you enough. Sorry if I appeared to be questioning your theory specifically; that wasn't my intention. I'm just immensely curious about the subject and I thought you might now some of the all-too-many questions.

[NoloeTazier]

Great timeline. I can't thank you enough. Sorry if I appeared to be questioning your theory specifically; that wasn't my intention. I'm just immensely curious about the subject and I thought you might now some of the all-too-many questions.

Oh no it's all good. But yeah Ferne posted a while back that the Astral/Umbral Era lengths all just depend. I think the Fifth Umbral and Sixth Umbral were somewhat tied together, i.e. the Ice froze and then melted to cause Flooding. So the Fifth Astral was probably relatively short, just long enough for the Miqo'te tribes to come wandering in and settle. Then the founding of the Allagan Empire was around 5000 years ago at the start of the Third Astral Era, we can sorta 'divide' up the years since into the cycles. But yeah like Ferne said it all depends on the disaster and the ability to recover.