CG Midlander

[HiirNoivl]

I'm not going to spoil it for you so I'm just going to say, finish watching the story THEN post what you want cause they do answer that and its not an Ascian cause they are SHADOWLESS. lol

Yes, but they are "shadows without shadows". ^^/

Teacher I have a question. In the quest Lord Errant. The Paragon is referred to as "she". o.o

[Anonymoose]

Teacher I have a question. In the quest Lord Errant. The Paragon is referred to as "she".

Would you happen to have a quote for this? I'm currently up to my waist in writing a Hatching-tide post confirming Catapult's input about them all being Archons and am unable to dig through it looking for the "she."

I do have these, though; different path companion race responses for this scene

I overheard some sylphs discussing the reported appearance of a Paragon near the Amalj'aa stronghold. If we could convince him to join us, imagine what a difference he might make to our relations with the beast tribes!

I overheard on the Ashcrown linkpearl that one of the Paragons was sighted in Thanalan, presumably on his way to see the Amalj'aa. If we can find him, we may be able to convince him to help us in our negotiations with the tribes.

I have learned from the Ashcrown Consortium linkpearl that the sylphs have sighted one of the Paragons making his way towards the Amalj'aa stronghold in Paglth'an. If fortune smiles upon us, perhaps we can find this traveler and enlist his aid.

Etc. Etc.

One of them mentions that the path companion listens to the Ashcrown pearl because their mother won't let them go outside after 18:00, and the word "she" comes up a few times - could this be what you saw?

[HiirNoivl]

The Female Lalafell Path Companion says: It is a pity we were unable to pinpoint the whereabouts of the Paragon. How ever did she persuade the primal to consider her counsel. I wonder? Whether through wily words or preternatural power, a formidable force is she!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...A8K8mYQ#t=103s

[HiirNoivl]

Oppa, she has it... post below.

[Reyd]

ahaa, thanks for clearing that up, back to lurking for me :3

[Anonymoose]

DUMPTRUCK POST 1 of 3: PARAGON GENDER

TO COME:
The Symbol of the Path of the Twelve v. Bahamut's Prison
The Archons v. Hatchingtide

P.S.
Has anyone else noticed that this thread has become our de facto lore forum? Not that I mind, but we'd have blown through 10-15 topics by now, some still going, some closed and falling to the back of the pile, some being referred to by Fernehalwes Enthusiasts the forum over while the other diligent LOC devs weren't getting pings every time we said something...

THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS.

How ever did she persuade the primal to consider her counsel.

<Anony Moose kicks in the door and throws papers all over the table.>

OFF WE GO.

Here is every response from every path companion about not finding the paragon. Some are more concise about it than others. Also, I hope ARR brings back those RP linkshells that blog everything they do. They made this so much easier...

Who are these souls who possess the knowledge to summon gods and bend them to their will? Perhaps it is not the beast tribes who we should be joining hands with...

^ Genderless

There is much I would like to ask this person...

^ Genderless

And find one we must. After all, if such a person has the power to stay the hands of a god, we may not need to fraternize with the beast tribes.

^ Genderless

What manner of person holds sway over the gods themselves...?

^ Genderless

He might have been able to tell us more about summoning our own primal...

^ MALE PARAGON

However did she persuade the primal to consider her counsel, I wonder. Whether through wily words or preternatural power, a formidable force is she!

^ FEMALE PARAGON

I must admit to being genuinely excited by the prospect of finally making the acquaintance of a Paragon, though...even if it means bumping into the sylphs. After all, if we could gain the favor of someone who holds sway over the primals, there'd be no need to fraternize with the tribes!

^ Genderless

Might've told us more about summonin' primals.

^ Genderless

I mean, if this person has the power not only to summon a primal, but to give it bleedin' orders, there'd be no need to waste our time wooin' these bastard beast tribes.

^ Genderless

CONCLUSION
We have two path companions who are shamelessly gender biased and making assumptions. What's odd is that a bunch of them refer to the paragon as a "he"/"him" earlier in the very same quest. Almost all of them, in fact. I only listed a few of the nine.

Do we conclude with the majority and assume it is a him? Possibly Urianger?

Or do we take this ambiguity as a sign to leave it alone until they flat out tell us who it is?

Thanks for bringing this one to the table, Hiir. Something tells me it would have thrown a wrench in a discussion someday if we hadn't checked it out XD

[NoloeTazier]

As always I look forward to your posts Anonymoose.

We have two path companions who are shamelessly gender biased and making assumptions. What's odd is that a bunch of them refer to the paragon as a "he"/"him" earlier in the very same quest. Almost all of them, in fact. I only listed a few of the nine.

Do we conclude with the majority and assume it is a him? Possibly Urianger?

Or do we take this ambiguity as a sign to leave it alone until they flat out tell us who it is?

Thanks for bringing this one to the table, Hiir. Something tells me it would have thrown a wrench in a discussion someday if we hadn't checked it out XD

I myself am on the Urianger boat, while the Circle of Knowing were watching and waiting on the City States response to the Garlean threat, Urianger was dealing another card. Give the Beastmen more power or show them how to use their current power so they can defend themselves, it's not just 5 Races living in Eorzea, we're all in it together and we all stood to lose everything if the Garleans won. Teach the natives how to defend themselves. But on the other side Louisoix (with knowledge of Urianger's role?) after seeing that the City States would only be as powerful as the Adventurers who showed them loyalty, gave the Adventurers the ability to take out the Primals if they become too much of a threat or a burden on the plans they had of the future. Course thats all blind assumption and trying to give more substance to the story.

All in all, the only one being hinted at being a Paragon is Urianger. He's one busy Archon if he is. But maybe Paragons have a lot to do with the Archons, we do know he knows how to summon things. (dun dun dun Arcanist/Summoner)

[Zenaku]

As always I look forward to your posts Anonymoose.



I myself am on the Urianger boat, while the Circle of Knowing were watching and waiting on the City States response to the Garlean threat, Urianger was dealing another card. Give the Beastmen more power or show them how to use their current power so they can defend themselves, it's not just 5 Races living in Eorzea, we're all in it together and we all stood to lose everything if the Garleans won. Teach the natives how to defend themselves. But on the other side Louisoix (with knowledge of Urianger's role?) after seeing that the City States would only be as powerful as the Adventurers who showed them loyalty, gave the Adventurers the ability to take out the Primals if they become too much of a threat or a burden on the plans they had of the future. Course thats all blind assumption and trying to give more substance to the story.

All in all, the only one being hinted at being a Paragon is Urianger. He's one busy Archon if he is. But maybe Paragons have a lot to do with the Archons, we do know he knows how to summon things. (dun dun dun Arcanist/Summoner)

Showing the primal how to summon there god is not good for eorzea also tho it use up to much life energy from the world to summon them i mean if he did show them seem mess up in a way letting them use so much energy to summon there own god. You think they know how to summon there own god by the god telling them not just a random person lol but who knows can't wait for 2.0 to learn more about the storyline.

[Anonymoose]

Showing the primal how to summon there god is not good for eorzea

Depends on your definition of good, I suppose. You know me, I like to analyze all of the implications of even the least likely of theories (Siren); which brings me to the idea of long-term goals.

Urianger was accused of being part of a group of mages who directly caused at least one umbral era to befall us, the other side of the story claims that it was this very same group who was the archons, and that they saved us from the umbral era in question.

The paragon's motivations were either to unite the beast tribes and their primals with the woken races against the Empire... or to goad the Empire into resuming the Eorzean campaign in the first place. The new NA website says that the Garlean Empire resumed their march in 1571. Either this is a typo (it also says we knew peace for "more than a decade," which we most certainly did not if Midgardsormr has anything to say about the matter from back in 1562), or the Empire started moving on the primals before we even knew about them - right after they had been summoned for the first few times.

If the latter is the case, perhaps the Paragon knew that summoning the primals would make the Empire attack, and the Empire's attack would lead to the fall of Dalamud, which would lead to the rise of the Archons and collapse us into an Umbral Era.

If Urianger is this Paragon, then he would be directly responsible for the Seventh Umbral Era... which begins with Dalamud's fall... which is an event that was foretold in the very prophecy he was spouting when he first showed up. Perhaps the Archons are responsible for making sure the Umbral Eras hit at the precise time that we can deal with them, nothing more, and nothing less. That would explain Louisoix smile at the last moment... the ritual fails, and he understands that this isn't about him; that his story is over, but he has done everything he needed to do to ensure the Seventh Astral Era will come.

Not quite a theory, but just a thought.

How did Bahamut's manifestation manage to stay in our realm after throwing a Megaflare if all hes got is the two meals of Aether from Garuda and Ifrit?

Garuda, Ifrit, untold amounts of crystals from veins within the Darkhold, Toto-Rak, and Mor Dhona, likely a good amount of the loose aether left over from the breaking of the seal upon Midgardsormr's death, ground veins that Nael took out, possible transmissions from the cerulem-powered transmitters at Castrum Novum, all power residing within and collected by Nael upon his death in To Kill a Raven... there's a lot of options. If you go back to the first time Darnus showed up and assume that every bit of aether he gained control of since then ended up at Dalamud - that's a good chunk. We're talking everything since 1.18 and the reformation of the Grand Companies at least.

My post about Dalamud and the ritual has been temporarily postponed to the discovery of Eorzean script all over everything.

EDIT: Nevermind, it's just the alphabet written in order.

[HiirNoivl]

DUMPTRUCK POST 1 of 3: PARAGON GENDER

We have two path companions who are shamelessly gender biased and making assumptions. What's odd is that a bunch of them refer to the paragon as a "he"/"him" earlier in the very same quest. Almost all of them, in fact. I only listed a few of the nine.

Do we conclude with the majority and assume it is a him? Possibly Urianger?

Or do we take this ambiguity as a sign to leave it alone until they flat out tell us who it is?

Thanks for bringing this one to the table, Hiir. Something tells me it would have thrown a wrench in a discussion someday if we hadn't checked it out XD

;~; Or maybe it's a translation glitch? **Backs away slowly.** (kowai..)

EDIT: Woah! I fell blessed with a post from Ferny-poo! *blush-blush* I'm glad that it wasn't a glitch and you guys were just trying to mess with our heads again. ^^/

Meanwhile back at the ascian, I couldn't find any more shadowless people other than Slenderman Elezen and the Grim Reaper. But there are lots of references to shadows in the dialogue. So maybe they are there in the background. For example, in the Grand Company quests, you're sent by random NPCs to "get" Urianger, who later turns out not to be a baddie. Or at least to be "anti-Imperial", since his motivations aren't really known.

Since it's obvious that the Circle of Knowing and the Ascians are not friends and are against each other, perhaps they are the true source of the orders to "get" Urianger.

Urianger: I have sensed the hand that guideth thee and know of its intent. Full oft, truth lieth not in that which is spoken, but that which is left unspoken. Refuse to open thine eyes and thou shalt linger in darkness for eternity. Or mayhap the dark shadow cast upon thy soul hath rendered it unable to accept the dawn. But first thou must cast off the shadow which defiles it....


Also, The Legatus seems annoyed at their own shadows.

Van Baelsar (Futures Perfect): The cloying stench of shadow lingers still....

Van Darnus (It Kills with Fire): Oh, but what manner of foul shadow will the unredeemed souls of your countrymen cast by the light of judgement! The mere imagining of it cuts me to the quick.

And we are talking about the Umbral era after all.