Poor FFXIV

[Kirith]

I'd like to point out, again actually. That FF13 follows the Final Fantasy Formula pretty well. As it was established in FF2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9. The only ones it deviates from are 1, 3, 10, 11, and 12.

Every form of entertainment industry follows a basic formula. Often not because it likes to, but because it's the only way to capitalize on people's enjoyment, which can be quite fickle. Movies, literature, music, anime... it's normal. Unfortunately following a formula only assures that you will sell your product to the general audience, not that it will be an exceptional or memorable product.
The mistake is here: some companies believe that throwing money at a crap product that follows a cheap formula will give them a masterpiece...all it does, and of this FFXIII is a prime example, is boost their sales thanks to publicity and hype.

Square-Enix may be a better company today that makes better games than it did before, but when compared to the old era's Square masterpieces... its new games are simply put to shame.

[Cairdeas]

Every form of entertainment industry follows a basic formula. Often not because it likes to, but because it's the only way to capitalize on people's enjoyment, which can be quite fickle. Movies, literature, music, anime... it's normal. Unfortunately following a formula only assures that you will sell your product to the general audience, not that it will be an exceptional or memorable product.
The mistake is here: some companies believe that throwing money at a crap product that follows a cheap formula will give them a masterpiece...all it does, and of this FFXIII is a prime example, is boost their sales thanks to publicity and hype.

Square-Enix may be a better company today that makes better games than it did before, but when compared to the old era's Square masterpieces... its new games are simply put to shame.

If a story can make me cry or become emotional through its already won in my book. Nier did it so hard though, It kept breaking you down constantly hitting you with these sad revelations. The story was epic. But sad as well.

From the Queen in the Desert being killed by wolves, to Emil/No.7 sacrificing himself to save Nier and Kaine. To Kaine having to deal with her physical differences to normal people, the ridicule she went through because of it and the anger that was bred into her.

It might have been developed by Cavia with SE staff members assisting and published by SE. but it was litterally the best story SE has released in a game since probably ROTZ.

[SHJcules]

JRPGs are my greatest joy, and my greatest shame, in this world.

That being said, they seem to sell for crap.

I personally doubt that SE could make back half of their enormous budget; that goes into a modern FF title these days, if they released new titles structured like FF1-10.

I feel I should also add that there was a lot to love in XIII!, even for a classic squaresoft fanboy rpg'er like me, and I found all of it.

If you do crave and fancy some crazy jrpg though, I would avoid SE altogether and stick with developers like Idea Factory and Gust.

also this

i would say xenogears> any rpg.

also I still don't have any idea what this thread is about, or how I even got here

[Cairdeas]

To be honest "Open world RPG's" like Oblivion and Fallout 3 killed the JRPG fanbase in the US. People now Expect that kind of gameplay when they hear the words RPG. which means they get upset by small hallways when playing. Nevermind the fact that even though they can get 150 hours of play time running all over the world in one of these sand boxes theres only actually about 5 hours of actual story available.

Even games like Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 have very little story if all you do is bum rush the story mode.

[zaviermhigo]

I had fun with FFXIII.
People forgot that this wasnt even and JRPG, it was an action game, they told everyone but it seems most people just hear what they want to.
And i woner how many FFs were so bad that people scream "FF is dying"...how many FFs were that bad?...
I personally didnt like FXII but thats it, i dont understand why you want the same Game over and over, or do you want EA like Games every year with little to no changes...or CoDs?
Nostalgic is what kills the games nowadays.

Square Enix was quoted as saying that FFXIII will be its last jrpg, and that the new XIII titles will be action games, I can see it being an action game, but if FFXIII is an action game, its a slow moving one (i don't like action games, but those who do I don't think would of played FFXIII compared to like God of War)


Mass effect 2 to me was move like a movie, dragon age II did not have enough dev time (15 months after dragon age I), the only hope for rpg is maybe oblivion, western and japanese alike are streamlining, it was so linear, it was like FFXIII honestly I played the game and I read reviews, the real thing people didn't like about XIII was how linear it was. I'm waiting for dark souls also, demon souls had no plot and was almost all grinding but for some reason it was so GOOD and punishing, they said they made the sequel harder.

[AeraLucis]

IMO, if there's one thing FFXIII should have put it, it would be a place to buy and rewatch the cutscenes. That was the best part of the game anyway. Though I guess that would require a town of some sort. :P

[Xeno]

all i have to say is SE please DON'T make a ff7 remake, your will most certain screw it up and turn it into 1 long closed road, no world , crap fest like you did with ff13.

You know what SE should do? They should just remake FF I-XI and keep releasing one every year with the everything exactly the same except for better graphics. I'm sure people would buy them, I know I would.

[Chezen]

You know what SE should do? They should just remake FF I-XI and keep releasing one every year with the everything exactly the same except for better graphics. I'm sure people would buy them, I know I would.

I believe I read somewhere that if they were to try to remake FFVII properly, it would take 40 years.

[Corrderio]

You know what SE should do? They should just remake FF I-XI and keep releasing one every year with the everything exactly the same except for better graphics. I'm sure people would buy them, I know I would.

I would actually agree with this, since I'm one of the "SE merge killed the FF series" people, since the stories in 12/13 just seem so bland compared to the others.

[Xeno]

I believe I read somewhere that if they were to try to remake FFVII properly, it would take 40 years.

Twas a blatant lie to shut the fanbase up about making an HD FFVII.