ARR and Mac

[Laume]

And a correction: Boot Camp isn't hypervisor. It's a dual-boot setup utility for disk partitioning and includes Windows drivers for the Apple hardware.

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I must say, though, that Macs are absolutely beautifully made down to the smallest details. Some things that come to mind:

- Mac screens are gorgeous and good for color fidelity and off-angle viewing.

- The Unibody aluminum case is beautiful, and for the Macbooks they slip into a bag smoothly -- unlike most Windows notebooks I've used where there are protruding feet, batteries, jacks, or whatnot that snag on things.

- The magsafe power cord attachment is better than the power plug on any PC notebook I've used.

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Thanks for the correction about bootcamp vs. hypervisor, ArkahmNative. I completely missed that (bootcamp is just a stream lined apple version of grub). And also about the note about macs by Mikita. Hardware specs-wise, yes, it's significantly expensive. But with mac's you're not paying for hardware, you're paying for good design (I had to open up a lenovo laptop and a macbook on the same day. One was definitely easier to open and put back together than the other.) All the points you brought up, imho, is spot on. But I think, rather than being hipsters about it, we can just all admit that, some people prefer to have computers that are set up for them and does 98% of what they will need it for rather than having to take to time to install and configure the machine. And there's nothing wrong with that. We can't all be programmers or computer techs.

Even on my windows machines, I have it set up to dual boot into a version of debian. And even when I am in windows mode, I have a cygwin shell open. I mean, I can be a complete douche and go "ubuntu? You mean debian with training wheels? Do you even know how to write your own compilers and set your own ttys? GUI? Pfft! Bash or gtfo" Computers are information omni-tools. Different ones made for different audiences. Like driving automatic versus a stick shift. And, let's face it, if we want to argue about what computer is "better" and how someone should only use one OS over another, we might as well all start arguing about skinny jeans, pabst blue ribbon and what bands we were into before it was cool. And, in all honesty, unless you're one of those minute few that compiles linux from the source code that you yourself modified with your own, hand-written compiler, none of us, linux users included, have ANY right to be pounding our chest about what OS everyone should use. Yes, I am a supporter of open source software. Yes, Richard Stallman is my hero. But unless we of the OSS side want to be like the people we are against, we need to stop treating computers and operating systems like superior fashion accessories and designer brands and more like actual computers.

kill -s 9 `ps fauxww|egrep -i 'soap\ ?box'|awk '{print $2}'`
(a.k.a. gets off his soap box)

[Issachar]

lol i realize the wrong usage of foot and inch xD

May as well be 27 foot, might justify the outrageous cost.

[Eekiki]

I had to open up a lenovo laptop and a macbook on the same day. One was definitely easier to open and put back together than the other.

If you're saying the Mac was the easier one to take apart and put back together, I call shenanigans unless you have access to some highly corrosive solvent. Macbooks are 80% computer, 20% epoxy.

[Laume]

If you're saying the Mac was the easier one to take apart and put back together, I call shenanigans unless you have access to some highly corrosive solvent. Macbooks are 80% computer, 20% epoxy.

I was reseating the keyboard on the lenovo t61:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Od48R4XxlU

and replacing the dvd drive on the macbook:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l151W_girY

And cleaning out the dust in both machines.

The lenovo had 3~4 different types and length of screws. A 2~3 more pieces to take a part from different angles. The macbook was pretty intuitive to take apart and put back together so it was pretty quick. The lenovo... I accidentally screwed a screw through keyboard membrane while putting it back together because I accidentally picked up the wrong length of screw....

[Eekiki]

I was reseating the keyboard on the lenovo t61:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Od48R4XxlU

and replacing the dvd drive on the macbook:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l151W_girY

And cleaning out the dust in both machines.

The lenovo had 3~4 different types and length of screws. A 2~3 more pieces to take a part from different angles. The macbook was pretty intuitive to take apart and put back together so it was pretty quick. The lenovo... I accidentally screwed a screw through keyboard membrane while putting it back together because I accidentally picked up the wrong length of screw....

A Macbook from 2008 is a lot different from a Macbook today. So you were taking apart a Macbook from when they actually were designed well.

[Laume]

A Macbook from 2008 is a lot different from a Macbook today. So you were taking apart a Macbook from when they actually were designed well.

Yes, but my statement still holds true. Thus your declaration of shenanigans is unjust and you can't get your broomstick.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clip...81/shenanigans

Now, I declare shenanigans that macbooks are 20% epoxy. I demand component ratios of a recent macbook air to prove your point! XD

[valetarkus]

Don't do it! Get a PC!!!

[Eekiki]

Yes, but my statement still holds true. Thus your declaration of shenanigans is unjust and you can't get your broomstick.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clip...81/shenanigans

Now, I declare shenanigans that macbooks are 20% epoxy. I demand component ratios of a recent macbook air to prove your point! XD

The correct statement, then, is that Macbooks were well-designed, which is quite true.

Source:

"The new MacBook Pro is virtually non-upgradeable -- making it the first MacBook Pro that will be unable to adapt to future advances in memory and storage technology," said Wiens.

The teardown revealed that Apple used many of the same assembly techniques as it does with the self-contained and virtually un-upgradeable MacBook Air, including proprietary screws, copious amounts of glue, expensive parts -- the screen in particular -- that must be completely replaced even after the smallest failure, and fused components that will likely break when a neighboring part must be removed.

Not to mention that on the newest Macbook Pro, they've removed the ethernet port. If you're a person that wants to use ethernet (like, say, everyone in the world) you need to pay an additional $25 for an adapter on top of the already ridiculous price, because Apple thinks they can make Thunderbolt a standard technology by forcing Mac owners to use it. After all, it worked with Firewire, right?

Oh, wait...no it didn't.

I'm not saying Macs are terrible. I'm only saying they are at best as good as comparable non-Apple branded hardware, and freakishly overpriced.

Plus, Apple has become an obnoxiously litigious company. They can't innovate anymore without Steve Jobs, so they're doing all they can to stymie other companies' attempts to move technology forward.

[Laume]

The correct statement, then, is that Macbooks were well-designed, which is quite true.

Source:


Not to mention that on the newest Macbook Pro, they've removed the ethernet port. If you're a person that wants to use ethernet (like, say, everyone in the world) you need to pay an additional $25 for an adapter on top of the already ridiculous price, because Apple thinks they can make Thunderbolt a standard technology by forcing Mac owners to use it. After all, it worked with Firewire, right?

Oh, wait...no it didn't.

I'm not saying Macs are terrible. I'm only saying they are at best as good as comparable non-Apple branded hardware, and freakishly overpriced.

Plus, Apple has become an obnoxiously litigious company. They can't innovate anymore without Steve Jobs, so they're doing all they can to stymie other companies' attempts to move technology forward.

Not good enough. I demand numbers! XD It has to be the claimed 20% ratio of glue to computer parts! And you were calling shenanigans on my statement that

I had to open up a lenovo laptop and a macbook on the same day. One was definitely easier to open and put back together than the other.

I've proven that, yes, a macbook is easier to open and put back together than a lenovo! XD I demand proof or my declaration of shenanigans is just!

[Altena]

I ran 1.0 on a late 2009 iMac on Windows 7 via bootcamp.

I know others ran it in Mac OS with some tweaks to get it working.

Yes, 2.0 should work on Mac without any issue.

Also as mentioned above, Bootcamp is not a VM, it is simply a partition that runs Windows. Mac OS is not running in the background when you boot into Windows.