Pipe Dreams: Expanding the healer pool

[SkyeWindbinder]

By that reckoning.....

Monk should be the single best dps class in the game because the nature of monk is in fact to do dps
Dragoon should be the single best dps class in the game because the nature of draggon is in fact to do dps
Wait a minute........

See the problem there?

Actually...

Monk should be the best DPS when it comes to fighting with bare hand/fists, claws, and gauntlets. Capable of doing as much damage unrmed as someone who has a sword.

Dragoon has it's own set of abilities that are Dragoon specific, also it should be the best damage dealer when it comes to using lances.

Yep, sounds logic to me. (shrug) Anyway, your post has a moot point because Monsa and Dragoons are not tailored specifically just to do DPS. I'm talking about what their specific talents are geared for. WHM is a healer. Monk is best at unarmed brawling. Dragoon should have it's lancer and dragoon abilities better than anyone. I'm not trying to be rude, but it's really not that hard. lol

[Reika]

Actually...

Monk should be the best DPS when it comes to fighting with bare hand/fists, claws, and gauntlets. Capable of doing as much damage unrmed as someone who has a sword.

Dragoon has it's own set of abilities that are Dragoon specific, also it should be the best damage dealer when it comes to using lances.

Yep, sounds logic to me. (shrug) Anyway, your post has a moot point because Monsa and Dragoons are not tailored specifically just to do DPS. I'm talking about what their specific talents are geared for. WHM is a healer. Monk is best at unarmed brawling. Dragoon should have it's lancer and dragoon abilities better than anyone. I'm not trying to be rude, but it's really not that hard. lol

I believe you missed his point completely. Monk and Lancer are both melee dps. They are both be good at melee dps. Their skills are named differently, look different, they wear different armor, and their combos are different, but in the end they hit the enemy with their melee weapons and do melee damage. New melee class/job will be the exact same thing.

There should be single class or job that is the best at a given role. If they are going to do it with the melee, they need to do it with the tanks, healers, and m/rdps. Its terrible MMO design otherwise.

[SkyeWindbinder]

I believe you missed his point completely. Monk and Lancer are both melee dps. They are both be good at melee dps. Their skills are named differently, look different, they wear different armor, and their combos are different, but in the end they hit the enemy with their melee weapons and do melee damage. New melee class/job will be the exact same thing.

There should be single class or job that is the best at a given role. If they are going to do it with the melee, they need to do it with the tanks, healers, and m/rdps. Its terrible MMO design otherwise.

I believe it's my point that was entirely missed, actually.

You see, monk and lancer are both given different ways they can do damage best. That's how they are specialized in their own way. Yes, they both do DPS, I mean, duh, that goes without saying. But their specialty is how they do their DPS. A WHM's specialty is how well it can heal. It is, by far, the best healer in FFXIV. The reason being that, unlike the other classes, it was born, bred, and tailored for healing. Which is why it would not really make sense for another class to be able to heal as well as a WHM. In fact, it would actually be phenomenally stupid for another class to be able to, unless they too are bred for healing as WHM is (like a cleric or priest or something like that).

[Reika]

I believe it's my point that was entirely missed, actually.

You see, monk and lancer are both given different ways they can do damage best. That's how they are specialized in their own way. Yes, they both do DPS, I mean, duh, that goes without saying. But their specialty is how they do their DPS. A WHM's specialty is how well it can heal. It is, by far, the best healer in FFXIV. The reason being that, unlike the other classes, it was born, bred, and tailored for healing. Which is why it would not really make sense for another class to be able to heal as well as a WHM. In fact, it would actually be phenomenally stupid for another class to be able to, unless they too are bred for healing as WHM is (like a cleric or priest or something like that).

WHM is currently the only healer in FFXIV, of course its currently the best. But when the time comes that they add more classes and jobs that are healers, it should not be the best.

[Dzian]

Actually...

Monk should be the best DPS when it comes to fighting with bare hand/fists, claws, and gauntlets. Capable of doing as much damage unrmed as someone who has a sword.

Dragoon has it's own set of abilities that are Dragoon specific, also it should be the best damage dealer when it comes to using lances.

Yep, sounds logic to me. (shrug) Anyway, your post has a moot point because Monsa and Dragoons are not tailored specifically just to do DPS. I'm talking about what their specific talents are geared for. WHM is a healer. Monk is best at unarmed brawling. Dragoon should have it's lancer and dragoon abilities better than anyone. I'm not trying to be rude, but it's really not that hard. lol

But how is that different from saying something like...

WHM should be the best healer when it comes to Cures
Chemist (or something) should be the best healer when it comes to potions
polkadotmage should be the best healer when it comes to regens

overall they could be as equal as healers as monks and drgs are equal to dps

It's really no different to you saying monks are the best dps when it come to punching something in the face. but drg are the best dps when it comes to poking things with a lance.

What you are doing is confusing jobs and roles.
WHM could very well be the best job at throwing potent cures, but that doesnt make it the best healer.
MNK could be the best job at throwing punches and kicks. but that doesnt make it the best dps.

[SkyeWindbinder]

What you are doing is confusing jobs and roles.
WHM could very well be the best job at throwing potent cures, but that doesnt make it the best healer.
MNK could be the best job at throwing punches and kicks. but that doesnt make it the best dps.

Please see my post above, lol.

[Mychael]

But how is that different from saying something like...

WHM should be the best healer when it comes to Cures
Chemist (or something) should be the best healer when it comes to potions
polkadotmage should be the best healer when it comes to regens

overall they could be as equal as healers as monks and drgs are equal to dps

It's really no different to you saying monks are the best dps when it come to punching something in the face. but drg are the best dps when it comes to poking things with a lance.

What you are doing is confusing jobs and roles.
WHM could very well be the best job at throwing potent cures, but that doesnt make it the best healer.
MNK could be the best job at throwing punches and kicks. but that doesnt make it the best dps.

Because mobs have many kind of defenses.

Players have only one kind of HP to heal.

[IndigoDarkwolf]

Because mobs have many kind of defenses.

Players have only one kind of HP to heal.

Your implication is that there's no difference between a caster-healer, flash-healer, HoT-healer, or ammo-based healer. It's all the same. All completely the same...

Edit: Also, single-target vs. targeted AoE vs. auras vs. smart heals...

[Shurrikhan]

Because mobs have many kind of defenses.

Players have only one kind of HP to heal.

Or have only one kind of HP to keep from depleting. You're forgetting damage mitigation, siphoning, defensive triggers, modes of healing, borrows, reversals, any manner of ability or style of ability that keeps people from dying. Curative magic has its own style. It's quick, powerful, easily re-sized. If Conjurer's (or by extension WHM) also made more out of their light elements, those two could be used for damage mitigation, between the offensive (interrupting casts via ARR Water) and defensive (creating earth shields on allies or a whirl of air to intercept ranged attacks, so and and so forth). Having another style of healing will not kill WHM. Having another curative healer would likely get close, just as having another fist-fighter would put Pugilist in a hard position to remain unique.