Infos on the Real game Direction? WHEN?!

[Zezlar]

since when did SE give detailed info about their games?

If you liked the changes Yoshi team did in 1.0, then why should you be doubtful that you wouldn't enjoy 2.0?

There would be no need for NDA, if they explained exactly how the game worked in all those regards

The direction change of the game is the reason some people are very skeptical currently. Yoshida did great with the remainder of 1.0, but certain people do not like the "standard" MMO. That's why some people play FFXI/FFXIV because they didn't fit into those categories. Now if they don't like it they have to deal with it, or quit and go to another MMO. Problem is there aren't many if any at all to go to.

[Meatdawg]

It's hard to bring up faults about game development or information on a board that pretty much only has fanbois left trolling it.

You are correct that not a lot of NEW information isn't out yet and the best reason is probably because it's only conceptual at this point.

I believe that while we will have a great product at launch, all that new fluff is going to get pushed to patches after launch. I really don't have an issue with this (since history has shown that Yoshi delivers on most of what he promises) but people are really kidding themselves if they think everything new is going to be ready at launch.

It will just be the old game remade with the groundwork for the new stuff. Again I have no issue with this because I don't want my new content rushed, take your time, listen to feedback and get it right.

[ZakarnRosewood]

It's hard to bring up faults about game development or information on a board that pretty much only has fanbois left trolling it.

You are correct that not a lot of NEW information isn't out yet and the best reason is probably because it's only conceptual at this point.

I believe that while we will have a great product at launch, all that new fluff is going to get pushed to patches after launch. I really don't have an issue with this (since history has shown that Yoshi delivers on most of what he promises) but people are really kidding themselves if they think everything new is going to be ready at launch.

It will just be the old game remade with the groundwork for the new stuff. Again I have no issue with this because I don't want my new content rushed, take your time, listen to feedback and get it right.

IMHO what many people lack is vision. Like you said, they are setting the groundwork and fixing the core systems. Its hard to make icing on a cake look pretty when you don't have a cake. Even at 1.0 launch I saw potential, that's why I'm still here. I can't wait to see Yoshi-P's vision realized.

Then again some people aren't happy unless they are complaining. Like my friend Eeyore.

[Cendres]

It will just be the old game remade with the groundwork for the new stuff. Again I have no issue with this because I don't want my new content rushed, take your time, listen to feedback and get it right.

Pretty much. Now I keep thinking about the 'new direction' the OP is talking about and am coming to this conclusion: People are worried it's going to be WoW in FF form, which is basically the SAME discussion we kept having before 1.0 where people were doing the exact same thing (Casualized, nerfed down, zomg!!). Which turns out that was the LAST thing people should have been worried about...

I'm just excited we'll have content....

[bobbygunz]

In regards to the OP, SE have already given details on the game direction: "WoW themepark with more FF feels." That's not a direct quote, but close enough.

I think the reason they probably don't talk much about the features the game boasts nor the general direction of the game is purely because there's nothing much to boast about. Again, many things won't make it to release either, so talking about a bare-bones game may not be worth speaking about and that's why there is dead silence.

I think SE definitely need to work on their pitch though to evolve it beyond "WoW with more FF feel" well before release time, even if it's a lie, simply because it will generate sales. They need to sell it to an untrusting audience.

Even FFXIV 1.0 devs launched a pretty sales pitch. The original FFXIV website was raving about its new Armory play-anything-you-want System, and the new active battle system where each weapon would have a different range, and tanks would active block, and there were even diagrams and everything, and the guildleve system was positioned as a new way to quest, etc. None of these ideals may have been realised in actuality, but SE certainly made a marginal effort to convince people the game was developed with a certain philosophy in mind that went a little deeper than "we increased the FF feel, kthx."

The current website just re-uses the same FFXIV images (which is tantamount to fraud since the graphical engine has been replaced so its no longer a fair representation) and is devoid of any meaningful info. The dev blogs spell nothing out about the game beyond superficial features. And maybe that's because the game is designed superficially. That's the take-away message I get.

[ZakarnRosewood]

The direction change of the game is the reason some people are very skeptical currently. Yoshida did great with the remainder of 1.0, but certain people do not like the "standard" MMO. That's why some people play FFXI/FFXIV because they didn't fit into those categories. Now if they don't like it they have to deal with it, or quit and go to another MMO. Problem is there aren't many if any at all to go to.

The problem is, if Yoshi only appeals to those who stayed and FFXI veterans, then the game will flop. It already has. Like my above cake analogy, People want chocolate cake, Vanilla is the most popular and "safe" so Yoshi is trying to make a Marble cake. The only problem is with people perception, all some people hear is there is going to be vanilla in the cake and then they freak out.

[fusional]

ITT: info doesn't count as "real" info unless it's what OP wants to hear

[Taika]

The direction change of the game is the reason some people are very skeptical currently. Yoshida did great with the remainder of 1.0, but certain people do not like the "standard" MMO. That's why some people play FFXI/FFXIV because they didn't fit into those categories. Now if they don't like it they have to deal with it, or quit and go to another MMO. Problem is there aren't many if any at all to go to.

This. Apart from server issues, I enjoyed playing the end of 1.0 (since 1.23), and at first I assumed 2.0 would be pretty much 1.23 with better server structure and some cosmetic enhancements (UI, character creation etc.). However, at this point it seems like they'll be changing pretty much everything 1.23 was, and most of the things I've read and seen so far haven't pleased me. This saddens me as I'd really love to commit to another FF MMO for years to come. What troubles me is that as I wrote, I really don't know what the game will be like compared to 1.0 (or 1.23). I can't hype the game, can't plan anything for our 1.0 LS, can't really do anything but wait for the launch and hope for the best.

People are telling others to wait for the beta to experience these things for themselves. However, not all content will be included in the beta version and things may change a lot between beta and launch. And even if I would be able to try all the content in the beta, I'd like SE to tell us what are the ideas behind the content we're testing, where they're going with certain mechanics, what kind of content additions they're planning for the future etc.

NDA isn't there to keep things secret before beta, it's there so that SE can control how they portray their game. It's a completely different thing to play some class by yourself a bit and to see that class portrayed by the game company on a video, telling their vision for the class' role, showing the high level skills in group play and so on. And this is what I'd like to see them doing.

You also have to remember that not everyone will be in the beta, and many potential players won't even bother to apply for a beta of a game they know nothing about. If I heard about this game for the first time today, I would take one look at the official site, find no information on the release date, how classes work, what kind of content there will be... I'd probably just forget about it.

[strallaalaa]

is funny cause the excuses here are kinda what they screwed up and did in the first place at launch of 1.0. they probably don't want us to know to much cause then everyone will be complaining about everything again. but this is what they should of done back at the first failure and not take every ones criticisms then. they don't want to hear it now then they shouldn't of listen to the idiots then lol.

[Sorel]

You also have to remember that not everyone will be in the beta, and many potential players won't even bother to apply for a beta of a game they know nothing about. If I heard about this game for the first time today, I would take one look at the official site, find no information on the release date, how classes work, what kind of content there will be... I'd probably just forget about it.

Your points are valid.

The only thing I would take issue with you is your statement about not knowing how classes and jobs work. What is on the official site is fairly straight forward. They plainly state what every class and job does, what they use to do their jobs, and what role they play in a party and in the world. The only thing missing is the list of abilities, and the class requirements for each job. One could call all that not enough information, but saying that it is no information at all is a stretch, I think.