Retainers for money

[Shougun]

As I stated before, this wasn't exclusive to FFXI. You can buy a second account in ANY game and use that to store stuff and get an economic advantage. There's no way to prevent someone from buying another account/copy of the game, so again, I guess all MMOs are pay2win because you can get another account. Hell, FFXIV must be pay to win because u have to buy it before you can play it.

What I'm trying to get at here is the term "pay2win" should be reserved for games that actually let you pay to win. e.g. has a cash shop with items that boost your power. With your loose definition, all MMOs are pay2win.

I was using the term local, like "this is a p2w idea" not global like "Blah is a p2w game". Buying extra characters that can passively earn you money (chores) is a p2w idea.

But I can see how you dont like it :P. Also a subscription isnt p2w, that is p2p, because you cant play if you dont pay - and everyone is paying it. I'm not a fan of paying for more characters, I think all rates should have the same amount of characters - and you cant buy more. But of course that is a bad idea for making more money so its not going to happen lol - marketing team will probably try to kill the dev suggesting that unless he is also owner lol.

But if you ever bought and used your mule as potent as you could you would know that you would make more with a mule, and more if you used a separate account - these options do indeed give you a benefit exclusive over normal paying players.

"But the benefit isn't that big"

A. I dont care, it is a benefit that you get through paying extra - and just that is enough for me to call it a p2w idea.
B. I dont care even more because over a long period of time it will matter a lot, 600 extra K a month will add up over 5 years of play (since a lot of people plan on playing the game more then 3 days.


I like monthly fee games because it reduces the amount of p2w ideas, thats why whenever f2p is suggested here I'm glad it gets pounced on and trashed.. lol I'd 90% likely not play FFXIV if it was f2p.

The monthly fee imo should be the -only-* thing you pay for and everything else earned in game is from in game and never out of game. Skill and dedication (time) should be the only factors for game ability imo.

*Like I said before expansions are kind of like this since players who dont pay will be disadvantaged, but this system is usually accepted because of the large mass of content added which would normally not be funded otherwise.



(Edit: I agree you cant stop someone from buying many accounts, because if you did it by IP or credit card then families would be screwed and that is a jerk move, so you cant do anything about that)

Edit2: WoW actually makes all accounts have the same amount of characters, last I checked.

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I was using the term local, like "this is a p2w idea" not global like "Blah is a p2w game". Buying extra characters that can passively earn you money (chores) is a p2w idea.

But I can see how you dont like it :P. Also a subscription isnt p2w, that is p2p, because you cant play if you dont pay - and everyone is paying it. I'm not a fan of paying for more characters, I think all rates should have the same amount of characters - and you cant buy more. But of course that is a bad idea for making more money so its not going to happen lol - marketing team will probably try to kill the dev suggesting that unless he is also owner lol.

But if you ever bought and used your mule as potent as you could you would know that you would make more with a mule, and more if you used a separate account - these options do indeed give you a benefit exclusive over normal paying players.

"But the benefit isn't that big"

A. I dont care, it is a benefit that you get through paying extra - and just that is enough for me to call it a p2w idea.
B. I dont care even more because over a long period of time it will matter a lot, 600 extra K a month will add up over 5 years of play (since a lot of people plan on playing the game more then 3 days.


I like monthly fee games because it reduces the amount of p2w ideas, thats why whenever f2p is suggested here I'm glad it gets pounced on and trashed.. lol I'd 90% likely not play FFXIV if it was f2p.

The monthly fee imo should be the -only-* thing you pay for and everything else earned in game is from in game and never out of game. Skill and dedication (time) should be the only factors for game ability imo.

*Like I said before expansions are kind of like this since players who dont pay will be disadvantaged, but this system is usually accepted because of the large mass of content added which would normally not be funded otherwise.



(Edit: I agree you cant stop someone from buying many accounts, because if you did it by IP or credit card then families would be screwed and that is a jerk move, so you cant do anything about that)

Edit2: WoW actually makes all accounts have the same amount of characters, last I checked.

You would dispise one of my friends that multiboxed with a High end computer in WoW! lol
He literally did a dungeon. low level mind you. All by himself. He had bought 5 accounts and paid the subs, 5 standalone games to get their keys. and Ran all 5 characters at the same time through a multi-box program!

To me, I thought he was insane for doing it. The whole process was so complex. Plus he spent a good $300 on aside from his PC to do it! Now the games are just sitting dust and he's canceled all but 1 of his accounts.

To me such an effort in extreme gameplay requires a large amount of energy and time to do so, not to mention money.
On a certain level, I'd have to say that's not fair that he did that. But at the same time there is nothing stopping an average person from doing the same thing! They just choose not to because they don't have the money or the time to invest in such an endeavor!

So to me, if a person chooses to do such a practice, they are only helping fund the game I love to play. I have no qualms with them doing this. Including muling!

At the end of the day, they are ( I would hope) having fun and thats what really matters It's not like they are greifing other players. Cash shops though? thats a totally different discussion. Fact is they don't exist in XIV.