Retainers for money

[Alhanelem]

First winning a game isnt all about combat, so I'd disagree right there - like buying exclusive mounts in WoW I think is crap (though this isnt the normal defintion of p2w which usually just refers to combat related winning).


Second retainers will be able to do chores which gets you items, so yes they do (literal p2w). Also they can hold items for you and help you sell more (more p2w).

None of this is pay to win. None of this increases your power. None of this helps you beat any content in the game. I cast extreme doubt that you're getting any items of meaningful economic value frojm the retainers- mainly just stuff that is already common,making it purely a convenience, not paying for power.

exclusive mounts in WoW isn't pay to win either- no power, no economic advantage.

Also they can hold items for you and help you sell more (more p2w).

This is no more "pay to win" than using additional characters as mules, which has been around since the dawn of MMORPGs.

[Shougun]

None of this is pay to win. None of this increases your power. None of this helps you beat any content in the game. I cast extreme doubt that you're getting any items of meaningful economic value frojm the retainers- mainly just stuff that is already common,making it purely a convenience, not paying for power.

exclusive mounts in WoW isn't pay to win either- no power, no economic advantage.

This is no more "pay to win" than using additional characters as mules, which has been around since the dawn of MMORPGs.

Retainers can sell items, increases your economic power.


Retainers can do chores getting you items, increases your economic power.


Retainers can hold items, just increases your game benefit.


P2W games offer things for you to enjoy the game better by paying. Winning is not excluded to just combat, imo though like I said that part is my personal take on it. I believe enjoying the game and being the top is winning and that means any exclusive items is included in winning - like exclusive mounts therefore p2w, but thats not the usual definition lol. (and you are right similar to buying extra account characters, I dont disagree with you on that)