NINJA...New Pet Class!

[fusional]

I don't care how they do ninja this time as long as the community doesn't take it and use it in a really stupid way like they did in xi. No ninja tanks pls

'stupid' way? are *you* stupid? it was completely ingenious. are you sore you've never thought up anything innovative and unexpected like that in an MMO? and square added yonin and innin later anyway to augment their ability to be either tank or DD for whatever situation, so your position is ridiculous either way.

you're probably just another one of those dudes that's like AW MAN I JUST LUV 2 DUAL WIELD SWISH SWISH SWISH and then got shunned by parties when you subbed thief

[Shougun]

'stupid' way? are *you* stupid? it was completely ingenious. are you sore you've never thought up anything innovative and unexpected like that in an MMO? and square added yonin and innin later anyway to augment their ability to be either tank or DD for whatever situation, so your position is ridiculous either way.

Ninja supplanting PLD is ridiculous in any way - the class is supposed to be the tank, else they've got crap damage and crap tanking ability and that makes a crap class.

[fusional]

Ninja supplanting PLD is ridiculous in any way - the class is supposed to be the tank, else they've got crap damage and crap tanking ability and that makes a crap class.

you don't know what you're talking about. ninja never supplanted PLD, they just became a fad job for specific periods. good PLDs were always needed for endgame. just as they are now. let me know how your legion groups do without PLD tanks.

are you guys all sore because NIN was more popular for exp? obviously they'd be more popular- they did more damage and required less healing, leading to faster chains.

[Shougun]

you don't know what you're talking about. ninja never supplanted PLD, they just became a fad job for specific periods. good PLDs were always needed for endgame. just as they are now. let me know how your legion groups do without PLD tanks.

are you guys all sore because NIN was more popular for exp? obviously they'd be more popular- they did more damage and required less healing, leading to faster chains.

So you are saying PLD should suck at tanking until end game? Thats stupid. PLD is the tanking class, at any point in the game they should be a superior tank. PLD needs to be included in the scheme of leveling up.

[Forgo]

So you are saying PLD should suck at tanking until end game? Thats stupid. PLD is the tanking class, at any point in the game they should be a superior tank. PLD needs to be included in the scheme of leveling up.

i agree a good pld didn't need much healing since they are self healers when they bottomed on mp thats when the whm is needed

[fusional]

So you are saying PLD should suck at tanking until end game? Thats stupid. PLD are the tanking class, at any point in the game they should be a superior tank. PLD needs to be included in the scheme of leveling up.

can you possibly stop being obstinate for the sake of it for a moment and think about what you're saying? the only time PLD ever sucked at tanking was before NA release, and NIN tanks hadn't even been discovered then. they were GREAT tanks all the way up through endgame- they just didn't lend themselves to exp parties as well as ninja for obvious reasons, which made ninja the fad preference in exp for obvious reasons.

they were never "excluded" from the scheme, they just weren't preferred. kind of like how whm were never "excluded" from healing, but rdm became preferred after a while- for the same basic reason nin was preferred over pld. you can't go around trying to "fix" certain jobs to account for efficiency or player preference in specific situations or you just end up endlessly "fixing" every single job over and over throughout the life of a game leading to new gaps and disparities that need to be fixed.

why? because people constantly change and adapt. so let them, and stop crying.

because in the end, people STILL needed and wanted whm, and people STILL needed and wanted PLD. just because they weren't the most efficient in EVERY GIVEN SITUATION that didn't make them broken, sucky or useless.

stop sensationalizing, kiddo.

[Shougun]

can you possibly stop being obstinate for the sake of it for a moment and think about what you're saying? the only time PLD ever sucked at tanking was before NA release, and NIN tanks hadn't even been discovered then. they were GREAT tanks all the way up through endgame- they just didn't lend themselves to exp parties as well as ninja for obvious reasons, which made ninja the fad preference in exp for obvious reasons.

they were never "excluded" from the scheme, they just weren't preferred. kind of like how whm were never "excluded" from healing, but rdm became preferred after a while- for the same basic reason nin was preferred over pld. you can't go around trying to "fix" certain jobs to account efficiency in specific situations or you just end up endlessly "fixing" every single job over and over throughout the life of a game leading to new gaps and disparities that need to be fixed.

why? because people constantly change and adapt. so let them, and stop crying.

because in the end, people STILL needed and wanted whm, and people STILL needed and wanted PLD. just because they weren't the most efficient in EVERY GIVEN SITUATION that didn't make them broken, sucky or useless.

stop sensationalizing, kiddo.

PLD should always be the prefered tank, that is their entire purpose.

If they aren't good at their purpose and they aren't balanced at other purposes like dealing significant damage, then they do suck in light of other options -hence a preference not to choose them. Also I played NA release and the choice to choose NIN over PLD happened all the time.

So stop being obstinate and stop sensationalizing kiddo, its unbecoming.

[Wyyote]

why? because people constantly change and adapt. so let them, and stop crying.

because in the end, people STILL needed and wanted whm, and people STILL needed and wanted PLD. just because they weren't the most efficient in EVERY GIVEN SITUATION...

So, I kind of agree with this train of thought. Jobs are always evolving based on content, and if a player is able to use a job in an unexpected way, then so be it. If it becomes the norm, then SE, and the community will adapt accordingly. In XI it was all about earning EXP in the most efficient means possible, not about which job "could" do the role. Hopefully ARR creates situations where the end result is the same, but the party makeup and tactics could vary wildly.

Take the MNK or BLM strategy on Chimera. Both work well, it's just a matter of preference and play style.

[Biggs]

stop sensationalizing, kiddo.

THIS coming from you is hilarious to me. And thats just after having read the posts you made in this OP. I thought it was ingenious that someone thought up blink tanking, for sure. Kudo's for not using as intended and being sort of effective for normal parties. But no one ever invited Nin's into parties on my server to do what they were intended to, which, to me made me really sad and ruined the job. Thats my opinion, key word there, and really not worth getting flamed for just because you clearly think NIN tanks had the sun rise and set out of their ass. Thats YOUR opinion, and i am happy to leave you to it without the insults. Why don't you try doing the same......

[Duelle]

'stupid' way? are *you* stupid? it was completely ingenious. are you sore you've never thought up anything innovative and unexpected like that in an MMO?

Odd, as I normally agree with you, but...

Not sure if trolling.

Ninja tanks are iconoclastic to how ninja are presented, both in Final Fantasy and in pretty much all fiction that's ever used them. The ninja strikes from the shadows and is as quick as the night. He's not the center of attention in a fight because they wouldn't last as long against foes the way a knight in armor would.

That's not mentioning that gameplay choice was dead once Utsusemi tanking became mainstream. There were no DPS and tank specs for NIN.

are you guys all sore because NIN was more popular for exp? obviously they'd be more popular- they did more damage and required less healing, leading to faster chains.

Which alone borked class balance during the leveling experience. PLD becoming the "well, we might as well take him because we can't find a NIN" type of choice is beyond unfair when PLD was designed from the ground up to tank.

Let us not forget that up until the increase in AoE use for encounters and the change to make AoE wipe Utsusemi, NIN tanks could laugh at things that would tear a PLD to pieces.