Lost faith in Yoshi-P?

[Bartleby]

Yup, I guess you can't if all you focus on is the smaller picture. I can see the bigger picture including the housing system, golden saucer, crystal tower, bahamuts labyrinth, all new world to explore, archanist, 300+ quests (doubt every last one will be a gopher quest and I dont understand the crying about that), three separate overarching stories, Raids, story missions, PVP, FATEs, Hamlet Defense, and much more that I may have forgotten or has yet to be revealed.

This amazing pic says it all.

The problem is half of the things you listed are either A) not going to be present at launch or B) they aren't anything unique to FFXIV or both. Plenty of other MMOs have had story quests, PVP, 300+ quests, raids, etc.

Finally, disregarding someone as simply "mad because they didn't get into Alpha" is pretty petty. The fact that so many people here react to criticism of any kind on ARR as a personal attack really reflects poorly on our community. I think most, if not all of us, here want ARR to succeed, but ignoring people's opinions is part of what got XIV into this mess in the first place.

[Azurus]

Yup, I guess you can't if all you focus on is the smaller picture. I can see the bigger picture including the housing system, golden saucer, crystal tower, bahamuts labyrinth, all new world to explore, archanist, 300+ quests (doubt every last one will be a gopher quest and I dont understand the crying about that), three separate overarching stories, Raids, story missions, PVP, FATEs, Hamlet Defense, and much more that I may have forgotten or has yet to be revealed.



This amazing pic says it all.

housing-in many mmos, hell rift has it too

golden saucer (mini games) - other MMOs have that

Crystal Tower - why did you list this separately from a raid? still a raid

bahamuts labyrinth - still a raid....

Arcanist - a debuffer with pets, warlock from WoW says hi

3 seperate stories- hell swtor had 8

dont even know why you listed PVP....

Fates- GW2, Rift and warhammer online would like a word

Hamlet defense - I think you get the point, other games did it..

now my point isnt that I think ARR stinks or w/e your arguing about, I actually really like what I see. But to dismiss others opinions from atop your high horse saying you see some bigger picture that separates this game from others, while listing things that have appeared in numerous other games, is well kind of asinine... I wouldnt be so quick to dismiss peoples opinions

PS: damn Bartleby I wish i had read your post before wasting my time posting lol

[ZakarnRosewood]

I really appreciate all the feedback in this thread, there have been a lot of well thought out ideas and opinions posted and I want to say for the record I do not think any of them are wrong. Thank you for contributing thus-far and please keep the discussions going.

To the above posters, in case you missed it. This is a snippet of a post a made further down the page. perhaps give the rest of it a read before jumping to conclusions. but no, i'm not on any high horse. different eyes and different mindsets see different things. many of these things people are listing as "failures" i see as a good thing. its what makes us unique, right? the world (and forums) would be a very boring place if we all agreed on everything. The last four items i added into the list were actually copied and pasted from another persons post. i am fully aware that these things are not unique to FF, Housing was talked about from Lineage, and pvp is almost a standard now a days. i'm not that blind, lol, but thanks for your breakdown.

PS: the pic was a joke, sorry the nuances were lost in text.

[Xaimera]

One thing that now doesn't make me so excited about launch anymore is the camera speed. I am hoping there is a way to set it to slow and change the camera speed because in some alpha videos the camera speed is way too fast and its making me dizzy its all jerky with the mouse and I'm hoping with the keyboard it isn't that bad but i actually get dizzy playing a game with this sort of camera ><;. I hope they bring back the camera speed option like in 1.0.

[Paix]

Yoshi and team <3 !!!!!

[Raineh]

Got alpha invite on first day, played a few days but dislike it.

There are so many spamy mmos out there, and now it seems FFXIV is one of them.

To me the turn by turn based stratagy is a huge part of what is ff(or was...), some what lost in XI but it worked, now its totally gone....

My only hope is the quests and story make it FF for me, because the casual boring spamspamwsx100 is just dull. and if any of the previous titles where like this id not have botherd at all.

[Xaimera]

Got alpha invite on first day, played a few days but dislike it.

There are so many spamy mmos out there, and now it seems FFXIV is one of them.

To me the turn by turn based stratagy is a huge part of what is ff(or was...), some what lost in XI but it worked, now its totally gone....

My only hope is the quests and story make it FF for me, because the casual boring spamspamwsx100 is just dull. and if any of the previous titles where like this id not have botherd at all.

ya i agree that from what ive seen so far its way too spammy >< and flashy too like every 2 seconds flashy ws/abilities go off geez LOL. not just that but the camera with mouse ugh the videos ive seen make me dizzy id like the camera on keyboard to be slower or if not have an option for camera speed like we did in 1.0.
seems 2.0 still has a lot of work to go thru before its ready to sell.

[IloveYouPumpkin]

ya i agree that from what ive seen so far its way too spammy >< and flashy too like every 2 seconds flashy ws/abilities go off geez LOL. not just that but the camera with mouse ugh the videos ive seen make me dizzy id like the camera on keyboard to be slower or if not have an option for camera speed like we did in 1.0.
seems 2.0 still has a lot of work to go thru before its ready to sell.

It's just a different kind of game now. The "standard" as they say. I don't particularly agree with this so called standard but It's what they're going with. I have a good feeling they're basically taking WoW's systems because they see it as the safe thing to do. They want money so I don't blame them, but it's kind of scary because already a bunch of MMO's have tried doing that, and failed. The Final Fantasy name will carry it farther than those games, but we'll have to hope it's good enough to actually be successful and most of all enjoyable to Final Fantasy fans, not just a bunch of WoW players. The thing is, WoW people don't want another WoW. If they want another game they want something different. We'll see what happens.

[Levian]

It's just a different kind of game now. The "standard" as they say. I don't particularly agree with this so called standard but It's what they're going with. I have a good feeling they're basically taking WoW's systems because they see it as the safe thing to do. They want money so I don't blame them, but it's kind of scary because already a bunch of MMO's have tried doing that, and failed. The Final Fantasy name will carry it farther than those games, but we'll have to hope it's good enough to actually be successful and most of all enjoyable to Final Fantasy fans, not just a bunch of WoW players. The thing is, WoW people don't want another WoW. If they want another game they want something different. We'll see what happens.

Just my opinion here, but in my estimation the Final Fantasy name won't carry this game any further than it already has. We all know with each new title a bunch of fans seem to drop off. And 1.0 was probably one of the biggest MMO flops of the past decade. This game has one foot in the grave, and the other not far behind. It's going to take more than a "Final Fantasy" stamp just to drag the game out of it's early grave, much less carry it for another 5-10 years. Again, Yoshida appears to be on a good track, but it's too early to say one way or another if the game will have what it takes to build and maintain steam though.

As for the poster worried about camera speed, if they were controlling the camera like I do (with the mouse mainly) the camera's speed would be based off mouse's sensitivity and how fast your hand motion is. Some things are still a little jerky/choppy but it's also still Alpha phase. There are a lot of things yet to be added, and I'm sure there will be a lot of refining before the game goes live. I'll remember that concern next time I log in though, I never thought to look. Might be worth putting a note about it on the other forum.

[SkyeWindbinder]

I, for one, am not the kind of person to give too much thought to the "doom and gloom" theories. Yes, 1.0 was a huge flop (despite it not really being all that bad, imo). But the hype for ARR is high. And from what I've seen and heard, the game is going to be phenomenal. Whether it fails or not will be up to the people who play it, and that judgment is reserved for the future. Yes, many of the game's new features are similar to those seen in other games on the surface. But the core of it is still Final Fantasy through and through. So I don't care about similarities found thrugh nitpicking. And the game is an almost total reboot from the ground up from 1.0, so 1.0's failures don't mean much to me either. All that matters to me is if I'm going to enjoy this game. And from what I've seen, I'll have to say I most definately will.