Back Paddling is horrible.

[Psykotsu]

While back pedaling wasn't present in all of FF games, turning around in the direction you press without holding an extra button is. So this is standar for final fantasy games.




I already did. Several times.


And to that add that WoW's method is also horrible from an aesthetical point of view.

What I'm still wanting to hear is an argument that defends back pedaling other than "WoW did it".

I don't recall anyone supplying you with a defense such as "WoW did it". No one gives a fuck about WoW, it's just natural. All the games that have back-pedaling has a button that allows you to turn 180 degrees. I can't see how you still have an issue.

And here, I, and another person have given a reason why back-pedaling is useful outside everyone's apparent "Wow did it" defense.

Back pedaling won't vanish because it's implemented for multiple reasons that is answered here.



Exactly, you can't parry if your back is facing the enemy. I think some people have forgotten that we can be attacked in 4 different directions. This gives us a retreat while having the ability to block or parry enemies.

And it's especially important for pvp. But I don't think you'll be a fan of pvp since it likely won't be like XI's intricate and immersible pvp system.

The user's quote is missing but I recapped it with my response.

[Majidah]

I don't recall anyone supplying you with a defense such as "WoW did it". No one gives a fuck about WoW, it's just natural. All the games that have back-pedaling has a button that allows you to turn 180 degrees. I can't see how you still have an issue.

I already answered this.
Claiming its not "because WoW did it" to "because other non ff mmorpgs have done it" is basically the same.
This is movement setup that was standarized because of WoW and games trying to copy it. Its awkward and convoluted.
There is an already better, more natural, alternative that works on gamepads aswell: 1.0's method.

And here, I, and another person have given a reason why back-pedaling is useful outside everyone's apparent "Wow did it" defense.

This was already answered to in
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post915016

If that's the only reason to keep back pedaling as default movement it brings to the table more problems than 1.0's system had (if any at all). Not to mention that the original system already featured back pedaling in battle.

[pool842]

I disagree with OP.

When pressing "s" backpedaling by default is more natural for pc gamers who use mouse and keyboard. 'w' key should always make your character walk forward and 's' to walk backward. If you want to run away you right click with mouse then move it left or right to turn your character and camera at the same time continue to press 'w' so your character is moving in the direction he/she is facing.

I hated the keyboard and mouse controls in FFXIV 1.0. I ended up buying a xbox 360 controller because the controls were obviously designed with controller in mind. With a analog stick it's natural to have you character move in the direction of the analog stick and the other analog stick to turn the camera. We haven't see the controller layout for 2.0 so don't panic yet!

I played GW2 for a short time and I didn't miss the controller one bit because it has standard MMO controls for keyboard and mouse.

IMO the keyboard and mouse controls in the alpha looks to be headed in the right direction for a wider PC audience to accept it.

Final someone who makes sense lol

[pool842]

While back pedaling wasn't present in all of FF games, turning around in the direction you press without holding an extra button is. So this is standar for final fantasy games.
RIFT did it, SWTOR did GW2 did Aion did need I go on?




I already did. Several times.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...657#post916657

And to that add that WoW's method is also horrible from an aesthetical point of view.

What I'm still wanting to hear is an argument that defends back pedaling other than "WoW did it".

RIFT did it, SWTOR did GW2 did Aion did need I go on?

[pool842]

I already answered this.
Claiming its not "because WoW did it" to "because other non ff mmorpgs have done it" is basically the same.
This is movement setup that was standarized because of WoW and games trying to copy it. Its awkward and convoluted.
There is an already better, more natural, alternative that works on gamepads aswell: 1.0's method.



This was already answered to in
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post915016

If that's the only reason to keep back pedaling as default movement it brings to the table more problems than 1.0's system had (if any at all). Not to mention that the original system already featured back pedaling in battle.

Your wow argument is old and the only reason you don't like it is because you want to use a controller just admit it. Every time you bring up WOW did it to it just makes you look dumb sorry... but it is not even close to the only mmo that does I know of about 7 off the top of my head and its because its a natural pc movement. Not to mention Tanks and ranged need backpedaling. I can tell you really won't understand how good it is till you either pvp which I know you wont just by your posting and tough fights were moving while tanking and or dps-ing is a big deal. Ya you can back peddle in battle but only when you are locked onto a target which again restricts freedom. In both wow and RIFT you can be locked on to a target and still have complete freedom of movement with backpedaling. Its just you can't use a fancy controller. Secondly this control scheme is good to help any mmo player out there conform to FFXIV 2.0 not just wow lol... were did you even get that argument?

[Klefth]

And people still keep replying like they never saw backpedaling in 1.0. You DO backpedal IN BATTLE, it's already been said, and what the OP means is not for it to be taken out of the game, but for it not to be the default movement scheme. As in, not out of battle. Just when locked onto something. You know, like it's been ever since XI. Also,

Your wow argument is old and the only reason you don't like it is because you want to use a controller just admit it.

You make it sound as if playing with a controller was a bad thing? What's with that?

[Jynx]

Ya you can back peddle in battle but only when you are locked onto a target which again restricts freedom.

How is having unrestrained movement...restricting it?

If anything being forced to backpedal all the time is more restricting than anything I'm used to using my camera to keep a watch on my surroundings while my character continues to move forward. I'm not really a fan of my camera dictating my movement direction.

Sure you can unlock the camera but the controls look less than wieldy. Personally I feel that the current Control scheme they have in Alpha and one akin to our current one will both show up, room for everyone to play how they want. I don't see any reason that the system would restrict us from having both control schemes.

[ispano]

No, he's right. When you were locked on your movement was restricted. You couldn't strafe to the side, only in a circle, it also limited your camera movement. They eventually relaxed the camera restriction, but it was still there and still annoying.

[kazaran]

back peddling is handy. With changes, its needed. Wait and see. You can still quickly reverse direction. Want to strafe , then strafe, wnt to step back with ranged attacks, then do it, want to switch direction and run, you can.

I wouldn't look at alpha videos for creating posts. Not everything is shown in that department.

[pool842]

How is having unrestrained movement...restricting it?

If anything being forced to backpedal all the time is more restricting than anything I'm used to using my camera to keep a watch on my surroundings while my character continues to move forward. I'm not really a fan of my camera dictating my movement direction.

Sure you can unlock the camera but the controls look less than wieldy. Personally I feel that the current Control scheme they have in Alpha and one akin to our current one will both show up, room for everyone to play how they want. I don't see any reason that the system would restrict us from having both control schemes.

Then you have never played another mmo but 14 or 11 so no point in talking to you