This is why Hardcore Content SUCKS.

[Jericho]

No, I think they deserve to get it sooner...

They did get it sooner. And deserved it.

[Aistaraina]

No, I think they deserve to get it sooner... Just like what happened last night. They worked for it hardcore-like.

It would be patently absurd to lock casuals out of any content in the game, period. That's akin to discrimination.

Does Square Enix wanna get dragged to civil court~? (That is a joke.)

So a casual player, who plays a couple times a week for 2-3 hours deserves an Adaberk before a hardcore player who end games every day? Get real.

It is not absurd. Give the casuals gear, but it certainly shouldn't be as good as the hardcore end game gear.

[SilvertearRen]

They did get it sooner. And deserved it.

Look at the message I was replying to. The poster was suggesting that hardcores should get better gear than casuals. This is a suggestion implying that casuals should not have access to the "finest" gear in XIV.

That is inappropriate, and that is the type of hardcore mentality I so very much despise, because they are only thinking for themselves, and not about the big picture. Which so happens to include casual players.

[SilvertearRen]

So a casual player, who plays a couple times a week for 2-3 hours deserves an Adaberk before a hardcore player who end games every day? Get real.

It is not absurd. Give the casuals gear, but it certainly shouldn't be as good as the hardcore end game gear.

It's absurd. Look at FFXI. parties are DISCRIMINATING based on equipment. Does a casual have a shot at participating in the game's content because the community is going, "LUL, You don't have this particular piece of equipment. GTFO!"

Just stop talking. If you can't think more widely about what kind of implications such things have on how the community ends up behaving towards others, then your opinion isn't really that valuable.

You know why I say that? I'm a moderationist. I believe in finding a "sweet spot" that suits EVERYBODY. Not just one demographic or one ideology. That means compromising. That means understanding what other people's positions are. When other people are unwilling, unbending, and unable to see what others' positions are, they earn my ire, my disgust, and ultimately, if they persist, my hatred.

Not a whole lot different from the idiocy of Congress~

[Kallera]

No, I think they deserve to get it sooner... Just like what happened last night. They worked for it hardcore-like

I believe it is they think they deserve to get it. The truth is random drops bow to no one.

I'm not sure MMO are for this person, they need to provide content for multiple audiences, and ffxiv has.

I complain about the trash items being full gear, but that doesn't keep me from selling my own. All mmo have that, to some degree.

[Jericho]

Look at the message I was replying to. The poster was suggesting that hardcores should get better gear than casuals. This is a suggestion implying that casuals should not have access to the "finest" gear in XIV.

I read and understand the original post. And you replied stating that they should not get better gear, they should get it sooner. Based on your OP, it looks like they did get the gear sooner than you. You are able to obtain that same gear. They were just able to do it faster than you.

What would hardcore players do if they could acquire things 4-5-6 times faster as you? Play for a year while you play for 4-5-6? They'd have nothing else to do if not work towards something better than takes more hours in the day or more days a week.

I wouldn't show up to my job for 3 hours a day expecting to get the same payment as an 8 hour employee, because I "don't have time" to work.

[SilvertearRen]

I read and understand the original post. And you replied stating that they should not get better gear, they should get it sooner. Based on your OP, it looks like they did get the gear sooner than you. You are able to obtain that same gear. They were just able to do it faster than you.

What would hardcore players do if they could acquire things 4-5-6 times faster as you? Play for a year while you play for 4-5-6? They'd have nothing else to do if not work towards something better than takes more hours in the day or more days a week.

I wouldn't show up to my job for 3 hours a day expecting to get the same payment as an 8 hour employee, because I "don't have time" to work.

I only had a few hours of time yesterday to budget for FFXIV. And all of it was burned on the Kokoroon NM. Granted, I missed out because it was a new NM, and that everybody was camping for it, but that doesn't make the stress, frustration, and aggravation go away.

I play FFXIV to have fun, not to compete with people who talk smack and heckle other parties camping the NM. That was just unnecessary stress...

[Belial]

Fact: "Hardcore" gamers will always have everything first.
Fact: NOT ALL casual gamers will get everything in the game.
Fact: MMOs are made to be long-lasting, time consuming games.
Fact: The arguements, and the topic of this thread, are moot, and don't mean shit. This game will be built like any other MMO. There will be content hardcore gamers will experience weeks in advance of casual gamers. Casual gamers will likely catch up come new expansions, etc. like is generally the case. Deal with it.

[Belial]

I only had a few hours of time yesterday to budget for FFXIV. And all of it was burned on the Kokoroon NM. Granted, I missed out because it was a new NM, and that everybody was camping for it, but that doesn't make the stress, frustration, and aggravation go away.

I play FFXIV to have fun, not to compete with people who talk smack and heckle other parties camping the NM. That was just unnecessary stress...

There are 19 -other- NMs. There are other jobs you can rank, new side quests with story lore, crafting, gathering, etc. No one, forced you to endure any stress other than your own stubborn self.

What you have described is the general mentality of MMOs. This will not go away. Ever. So, either learn to cope with these kinda people, or don't play this kind of game. It is unavoidable.

[Ostia]

Wow you guy's are still going at this ? This reminds me of the old Wow forums, and their debates of casual vs hardcore.

Honestly real hardcore players, dont care what a casual wears, because real hardcore players, are busy doing content, not bitching on a forum "Omg me and my guild of hardcore no lifers, killed X mob a week ago, how can this newbs, scrubs, with jobs, be able to even be in the same zone as us" Really if you care so much about what other people obtain in a video game, then you need help, you are mental, and you are trying to compensate something missing in your RL with a video game life, period.