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  1. #151
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    Duelle Urelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chardrizard View Post
    One way to make a quest memorable isn't by making a huge chunk of wall of text and make you speak to every damn NPC then look up what I'm supposed to be doing after getting a quest.

    It's by having unique character, a good character development and design, cutscene is undeniably good addition but that isn't affordable for sidequests.
    I agree with this. (drawing from WoW) There's a reason people remember Mylune, Hemmet Nesingwary, Lump, Elling Trias, and John J. Keeshan. They don't have epic cutscenes, some don't even have VA's assigned. But they have character and questlines that, while irrelevant to the main story, are memorable in some way. Some of them are also recurring characters you see as you level.
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
    * Design ideas:
    Red Mage - COMPLETE (https://tinyurl.com/y6tsbnjh), Chemist - Second Pass (https://tinyurl.com/ssuog88), Thief - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/vdjpkoa), Rune Fencer - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/y3fomdp2)

  2. #152
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    Aion Zwei
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    Gladiator Lv 54
    Quote Originally Posted by Norack View Post
    Sorry i didnt read all the comments so maybe someone already said this. But looking at this theres really only one thing that really bugs me. Why does the person that is playing have 2 HP bars? And when he enganges in battles he gets another HP bar making a total of 3 HP bars when u should only need 1?
    the left top is party interface..now yourself is included in party list
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    Aion Zwei - Masamune

  3. #153
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    Norack Sunstorm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aion View Post
    the left top is party interface..now yourself is included in party list
    I guess i could understand that, but why do you get a 3rd HP bar, when u engange a monster in battle? Just seems to take up alot of screen space. Although i guess the insanely low resolution this was shot at doesnt help matters XD.
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  4. #154
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    Leo Vanhalen
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Duelle View Post
    I agree with this. (drawing from WoW) There's a reason people remember Mylune, Hemmet Nesingwary, Lump, Elling Trias, and John J. Keeshan. They don't have epic cutscenes, some don't even have VA's assigned. But they have character and questlines that, while irrelevant to the main story, are memorable in some way. Some of them are also recurring characters you see as you level.
    All the job leveling quests in 1.0 had that. All the class quests and even those for doh/dow had memorable storyline quests with recurring characters. Like the Weaver Cinderella story and the Goldsmith love triangle storyline, both of which i quite enjoyed. 1.0 sure had a lot of good content that most pple just didn't touch. It irks me when i see pple complaining about stuff they feel the game is lacking when it infact has been there all along and they just didn't wanna try it.
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  5. #155
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    Wolfie Wu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norack View Post
    I guess i could understand that, but why do you get a 3rd HP bar, when u engange a monster in battle? Just seems to take up alot of screen space. Although i guess the insanely low resolution this was shot at doesnt help matters XD.
    It's the target-of-target unit frame.
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  6. #156
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    Noctis Umbra
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    ITT: Massive levels of over-reaction.
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  7. #157
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    Etoile Kallera
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfie View Post
    What is your defense against people who are going to get their quest guide from third party fansites and youtube videos, and are going to build the easiest party setup and follow the easiest/cheesiest strategy? Keep in mind that these people are going to be in the overwhelming majority, 80% and above.
    I you want to reduce the game to a theme park of amorphous shopping list in a race to the relic/bahamut gear/ what have you, the FF feel will be just as hollow, and the ring of "WoW clone" will be all over the place.

    I'm asking for a mix to provide challenge and interest for the crowd. Have something meaningful, it doesn't have to be computer babysitting anymore than it has to be Shin megami tensei I difficult.
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  8. #158
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallera View Post
    I you want to reduce the game to a theme park of amorphous shopping list in a race to the relic/bahamut gear/ what have you, the FF feel will be just as hollow, and the ring of "WoW clone" will be all over the place.

    I'm asking for a mix to provide challenge and interest for the crowd. Have something meaningful, it doesn't have to be computer babysitting anymore than it has to be Shin megami tensei I difficult.
    Let me ask again. How do you prevent people from getting guides from third party sites and building a "shopping list" of things they need to do, and the easiest way for them to do it, in order to get to their end-goal?
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  9. #159
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aion View Post
    Par...ley? wait...wha..?
    dude!> you never tried parley?. it was the shit!!...
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  10. #160
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    Etoile Kallera
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfie View Post
    Let me ask again. How do you prevent people from getting guides from third party sites and building a "shopping list" of things they need to do, and the easiest way for them to do it, in order to get to their end-goal?
    People buy Gil with third party sites, and attempt to make bots and trainers for the game, does that mean we should demand that SE open a shop to trade real money for fake? Should SE hire players to do autoleveling at your convenience and money's behest?

    No company is going to prevent the eventual FAQ that will come out of their game, that doesn't mean they shouldn't try to make a challenging game. Was Dark Souls such a failure, or Dragon's Dogma? Would they have stood out so from their crowds if they were easygoing romps with "attack will land here" markers abound?
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    Last edited by Kallera; 12-07-2012 at 12:20 PM.

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