Lost faith in Yoshi-P?

[Zenaku]

no no no no no no NO. tanaka headed the XI project in name but sakaguchi and his development team were largely responsible for anything worthwhile the game had to offer. tanaka rode sakaguchi's coattails and took all the credit. this is a very common thing in japan when someone has power of seniority.

based on XI's success, tanaka was given a whole new MMO to actually implement *his* ideas from the ground up. the content was from him. the graphics engine was his idea. he had the final say in whether the game was ready and what he wanted before release. and he wrecked it. completely screwed the pooch. because unlike sakaguchi and his devs, he actually doesn't know what he's doing. he has no idea. he doesn't understand what makes games great.

also, yoshi isn't a "yes man". yoshi is someone who made a believer out of even Wada. wada just wrote the checks before. he never had any involvement in the development process. now he cares (enough to actually play the game to better understand its strengths and weaknesses) - and while certainly part of that has to do with not wanting to lose more money, quite a lot has to do with believing in yoshi and his process. and he wants to be a part of it.

want to give someone credit for XI? 'guchi is your man. but stop praising that charlatan tanaka for something he had VERY LITTLE to do with, and stop giving him a free pass for the atrocity that was XIV 1.0. 1.0 was the first time in his career he tried to do more than sitting in his office playing with his corgis, and by god it showed.

Your high? i'm sorry but tanaka ask for more time they said no tanaka had noting to do with XIV he said in a early interview few weeks from leaving SE that the Dev team did everything and he was not allow to do much. So there you go there was even a interview before ffxiv was release saying that they needed more time and they told him no he knew the game was not ready you need to get more information before talking bad about someone.

You want someone to blame everyone CEO,Dev and tanaka just not one person.

[Aion]

Your high? i'm sorry but tanaka ask for more time they said no tanaka had noting to do with XIV he said in a early interview few weeks from leaving SE that the Dev team did everything and he was not allow to do much. So there you go there was even a interview before ffxiv was release saying that they needed more time and they told him no he knew the game was not ready you need to get more information before talking bad about someone.

You want someone to blame everyone CEO,Dev and tanaka just not one person.

but I've heard he's the one that insist keeping fatigue system, isnt it?

[ZakarnRosewood]

Your high? i'm sorry but tanaka ask for more time they said no tanaka had noting to do with XIV he said in a early interview few weeks from leaving SE that the Dev team did everything and he was not allow to do much. So there you go there was even a interview before ffxiv was release saying that they needed more time and they told him no he knew the game was not ready you need to get more information before talking bad about someone.

You want someone to blame everyone CEO,Dev and tanaka just not one person.

Agreed, the "blame", if you need to put it anywhere, is on a bunch of things not going the way they should have. Poor decisions made by a team of people. Something this large is not the result of a single persons efforts. Just as Yoshi-P is not the only one working on the rejuvenation of this game. In hindsight I have mistakenly put Yoshi-P on a pedestal as the only person we should have faith in. There was that "Special Talk Session" a while back, all of them are just leads on various aspects of the game. But as a lead they do take a certain responsibility, they are the figurehead's. The have the duty to do quality control, thus is the role of producer and director. The president does not make every decision on his own, he has a committee to help with these choices, yet who is the one we all focus our disdain on when something goes wrong?

[fusional]

Your high? i'm sorry but tanaka ask for more time they said no tanaka had noting to do with XIV he said in a early interview few weeks from leaving SE that the Dev team did everything and he was not allow to do much. So there you go there was even a interview before ffxiv was release saying that they needed more time and they told him no he knew the game was not ready you need to get more information before talking bad about someone.

You want someone to blame everyone CEO,Dev and tanaka just not one person.

my high?

and he said? HE said? lolllllllllllllll yeah okay, i'm sure that's a completely valid and totally unbiased source. (which, oddly, you haven't posted)

in and interview with me, i said you don't know what you're talking about. i said it, ergo true.

[Zenaku]

my high?

and he said? HE said? lolllllllllllllll yeah okay, i'm sure that's a completely valid and totally unbiased source. (which, oddly, you haven't posted)

in and interview with me, i said you don't know what you're talking about. i said it, ergo true.

Like i'm going to find a 3year old interview anytime soon. He did say it if you don't believe me i don't care there even a new interview he did like 2month back saying that the dev told him to stand back and let them do w/e they want. This is the same interview talking about the side job he got once he left SE. Tanaka is not the only person to blame so stop blaming one person blame the CEO for making everyone release the game so early and blame the dev team for keep putting thing a side when there issue that why yosh-p is telling them if there a issue fix it now and worry about everything else later issue come first.

Even the CEO said if FFXIV fails again he be leaving so you see how FFXIV ARR is SE last hope for the big fuck up everyone did not just one person that all i'm saying.

[indira]

Your high? i'm sorry but tanaka ask for more time they said no tanaka had noting to do with XIV he said in a early interview few weeks from leaving SE that the Dev team did everything and he was not allow to do much. So there you go there was even a interview before ffxiv was release saying that they needed more time and they told him no he knew the game was not ready you need to get more information before talking bad about someone.

You want someone to blame everyone CEO,Dev and tanaka just not one person.

upper management is always the cause of some on the job BS. there usually clueless and try to make as much money as they can with out spending a dime then the workers suffer for it.

[strallaalaa]

upper management is always the cause of some on the job BS. there usually clueless and try to make as much money as they can with out spending a dime then the workers suffer for it.

this is very true, http://www.arenajunkies.com/topic/17...rep-will-fail/

lol i love posting about this thread cause it can show everyone what are the type of things that happen in the mmo and gaming world. they totally deleted the real thread where he talks way more, and there is other devs too, fact you can find other devs from games talking the same way if you take the time to find them lol. is funny cause EA didn't really take it down cause it was up for years and people started linking this thread to lots of mmo's and then it got taken down.

either way i not lost faith cause i never really had any faith in one man. if no one wants to believe he has a destination and yeah he is probably taking some of his own path to get there but in the end it's mostly planed out(lol probably no diff then picking our president but anyway) from vague questions in our polls to changes that i bet lots didn't realize they were voting or asking for. to 360 the game rather then fixing the engine and going as planned, it is obvious there is only one plan and that is to try and get the game up to the standards of failed mmo's that at least made some cash b4 f2p. it is obvious that it would be in the front of the minds of devs and yoshi that the game might still fail so really you need to look at the mmo and the devs and there actions towards the ffxiv in that stand point first and for most.

in the end though, i think the game is going in wrong directions, but i'm still hopefully that after launch, after they start patching in new content it will go in a different direction. just like wow went from harder content, to easy content, then back to hard content. i think the devs if smart enough know that the easy route will kill them off totally. any and all mmo's for that matter should always start with something huge and large scale and lots of casual play stuff too. witch is what i think/hope ffxiv will start with. then it will be like a real game getting harder and harder as time and patches go by.

the question really is if we have enough content b4 first patch, cause most won't stick around cause it's been long enough of a disaster. my hopes is crystal towers and the labyrinth will be epic stuff that will hold a lot of players to the game long enough for them to be confident in pumping out more content. think of it like atari, they bankrupt back in day. then made cheaper version for the people but guess what the older version was selling for like 8bucks a game now cause it's failure and was way cheaper and almost went bankrupt again. this is like content, they are making it but most of us are 50's everything but they are making the game for new people, learning our classes again and looking around won't be content like yoshi keeps mentioning witch worries me. it might not be enough.

i had over 750+days of game play in 5+ years of ffxi, i've played like every mmo since then. warhammer, swtor, gw2, d3, tera, secret world, allods, dcu and i quit every one of them in 2-6months except warhammer it was epic pvp for a good year and was my first true pvp game witch has made any other pvp mmo feel stale and not worth the time. either way, i am pulling for yoshi and his team but i've lost faith in the mmo industry (and tv industry but that is another topic lol) as a whole and till they prove me wrong then i don't need to keep feeling let down every year by multiple mmo's.

and for those who say stop comparing mmo's or ffxi to ffxiv. maybe we are not comparing mmo's we are comparing ourselves and our enjoyment and entertainment value. what games did that just comes along with it at times. any who since i always sound like i'm complaining lmao, i have to always repeat. i still am here, i'm still on forums and still excited to play ffxiv. it still looks like a funner mmo then any that has come out since ffxi ...but i'm not so blind and wishful for it to work that i'm going to ignore all the issues they are pumping into it. first was how to make it not ffxi and stuff like yoshi has stated, now it's more how to kiss butt and make at the least our money back. any one think diff is just nutty.

[ZakarnRosewood]

this is very true, http://www.arenajunkies.com/topic/17...rep-will-fail/

....(edited to save space only)

and for those who say stop comparing mmo's or ffxi to ffxiv. maybe we are not comparing mmo's we are comparing ourselves and our enjoyment and entertainment value. what games did that just comes along with it at times. any who since i always sound like i'm complaining lmao, i have to always repeat. i still am here, i'm still on forums and still excited to play ffxiv. it still looks like a funner mmo then any that has come out since ffxi ...but i'm not so blind and wishful for it to work that i'm going to ignore all the issues they are pumping into it. first was how to make it not ffxi and stuff like yoshi has stated, now it's more how to kiss butt and make at the least our money back. any one think diff is just nutty.

I agree that end game and the Hardcore players need to have lots of challenging content to keep them long term, this give an MMO sustainability. Appealing to casual alone is a nail in the coffin for an MMO, once they move on as casuals do then those subs disappear. How much time did you spend at the lower levels in FFXI (just being curious not trying to needle) VS how much time you spent at end game? How memorable was the early stuff? I do hope for a decent end game to keep players busy for more than a month (look how fast the Primals were beaten and that was supposed to be the hardest content.)

By the same token I think the early to mid levels should be about learning how to play, how the game functions, and how to work well in party play. This is aimed at the casual or beginner player and it should be this way. If it is hardcore through and through then you will never get a new audience or build a more steady player base. To date they have shown us one starting area, a 5 min demo of two (out of 300+ quests), all at level 5-12. So far everything seems quite good and paced well for beginners and newcomers. For the hardcore, you will fly through this on your way to end game and will probably forget all about it anyway, so why the worry?

If the team does not try to include the new/casual as well as generate epic end game content then the game will probably die off like so many before. I'm not to worried about that honestly. I have not seen a Dev team so devoted to listening to their players and dedicated to making a game succeed as this one in all my years of gaming. It looks like they have a solid core system down now that has much more room for development than the previous one. Watching 1.0 evolve into what it was in the end given what they had to work with, I can't see this team stopping after launch. This is the nature of an MMO, it is constantly evolving.

I too have my concerns but I'm not the type of person that only focuses on the negative. The world is too diverse to focus all the devs resources on trying to appeal to one particular niche group, remember that at one point you were a "noob" too. we all were. I seriously doubt at 5 years old when you picked up your first game that you aced that in a day. I only wish people were more considerate about new players and wanted to include them too. We all have to start somewhere and if someone chooses to start am MMO with FFXIV, I want them to enjoy it and continue to play until they are a hardcore too. don't you?