Why not abolish the Class system entirely in favor of Jobs? [@ Devs]

[Reika]

They should instead rename archer to something bardish, make a new weapon type for that, change the artemis bow to artemis harp or something, then make a new archer that will turn into ranger.

[Duelle]

Bards look nothing like a bard - nothing.. In fact I wouldn't know they were a bard at all if it wasn't for the part where they tell me they are bards.

Bards are an offshoot of the rogue archetype. An archetype that is known for the use of swords, daggers and bows.

Considering Thancred calls himself a bard by trade and is not obvious about it, the fact you have characters like Leliana from Dragon Age and the Axe-Lute guy from Skyrim, you seem to have a very limited perception of what can be called a bard. Again, the Edwardian Bard is not the epitome of Bard-dom. And it is good that SE decided to draw from something other than FFIV or Tactics for this version of the bard.

[Reika]

Bards are an offshoot of the rogue archetype. An archetype that is known for the use of swords, daggers and bows.

Considering Thancred calls himself a bard by trade and is not obvious about it, the fact you have characters like Leliana from Dragon Age and the Axe-Lute guy from Skyrim, you seem to have a very limited perception of what can be called a bard. Again, the Edwardian Bard is not the epitome of Bard-dom.

But people don't want FFXIV copying any concept from any other game but the Final fantasy series, therefore it must be a plain harp.

[Kallera]

But people don't want FFXIV copying any concept from any other game but the Final fantasy series, therefore it must be a plain harp.

Dynasty Warriors introduced a harp type character to their roster since 7. I'm seeing a pattern here....

[NadienKirisame]

Hello,

I know that people can get pretty passionate in their feelings about new additions or modifications to the game, but I'll have to ask you guys to keep it civil and stick to the topic. This thread has gone a bit off-topic and I'm starting to see some inappropriate commenting, so I'd like to ask that we bring it back to good, productive discussion, or I may have to lock the entire thread.

Thank you for your cooperation.

-Verytus

Actually I'm going to go with the please lock this waste of space of a thread... I t was fine back when it was first made but really this horse really needs to be put in the ground and laid to rest... I think the fumes from it is rotting out some of these poor humans brains which makes them think of these stupid ideas...

The cat is bemused =-.-=

[Shadow_Sama]

Interesting straw-man, turning what he said into literal ownership. Yes, that's exactly what he was talking about... Anyway, the same can be said about the people who feel tense due to people's complaining. We all know people sometimes complain needlessly correct? Why not just tell them to just avoid the forums?

You should probably take this time to bow out due to lack of headway. People will continue to state their opinions.

"This isn't your FORUM, this isn't my FORUM. This isn't our FORUM. This is Square Enix's FORUM. Is it built for us? Yes, but we do not own it. There will be OPINIONS people will disagree with, but will not change. And if they(YOU) disagree with it venomously enough, it becomes a determent to the community to hear them sit and scream endlessly about it. And if it is a INTERNET-breaker for you, it is best that you leave instead of remaining to gripe. It is better for the plaintiff, as it quickens the time they'll actually find a THREAD that suits them, and it is better for those who don't need to hear the complaints causing unneeded tension in the THREAD."

I must admit, I felt some sort of childish satisfaction using your quote for my own needs. It didn't sound any less silly when I said it however, it probably sounded worse...

You really should give it up. People share differing opinions. Get used to it. If you are unable respond without twisting their words or attacking them, mentally demonize them and enjoy your day.

Anyway, everything you proceeded to suggest had already been suggested by others before. We've long since accepted that classes are here to stay. People still feel the way they feel and should be allowed to state why. The handful of people who've been posting here pretty much all agree that an overhaul is needed and we are awaiting more information. For now, we're sharing our thoughts on the topic.

2 jobs per class wont work currently with the information we have. 1:1 seems like the best fit for the time being unless various weapon types alter abilities and traits. Since MMO's battle system is important this topic excites me as well as others.

Thank you.

Well from the videos they have shown us this far, we are seeing some additions of abilities. For example, Conjurer can now cast Water spell and Dragoon has some new flip attack thing. I wonder if they gave classes and jobs more abilities overall, or swapped obsolete ones for new ones.

If the former is true, perhaps we'll see more job specific abilities to better distinguish a class and a job. Perhaps we can get some insight during alpha / beta to better determine the direction the classes and jobs will go.

[Shougun]

Bards are an offshoot of the rogue archetype. An archetype that is known for the use of swords, daggers and bows.

Considering Thancred calls himself a bard by trade and is not obvious about it, the fact you have characters like Leliana from Dragon Age and the Axe-Lute guy from Skyrim, you seem to have a very limited perception of what can be called a bard. Again, the Edwardian Bard is not the epitome of Bard-dom. And it is good that SE decided to draw from something other than FFIV or Tactics for this version of the bard.

You really dont need to bold and underline anything, I can read without it.


Bards are musicians that play music to boost morale - just like a computer programmer can make programs. Because I can also ride a bike and shoot a bow doesn't mean that is what a computer programmer is. (Actually the meaning of bard is just someone who can recite poetry but you know w.e)

You seem to have a disconnect between titles and other activities.

I know what a bard is. Bard in FFXIV is an archer who can sing. Not a singer who can shoot. The emphasis is key. I'm not saying a bard -cant- use bows. But the focus of the FFXIV bard is archery and not actually being a bard.

But people don't want FFXIV copying any concept from any other game but the Final fantasy series, therefore it must be a plain harp.

And this ^... I dont play FF games to expect dragoon to be different then the last dragoon, I actually want them to be similar (like maintaining chocobos and moogles). Bards use harps as weapons or other musical instruments (usually harps though..).

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Bard

[Shadow_Sama]

You really dont need to bold and underline anything, I can read without it.


Bards are musicians that play music to boost morale - just like a computer programmer can make programs. Because I can also ride a bike and shoot a bow doesn't mean that is what a computer programmer is. (Actually the meaning of bard is just someone who can recite poetry but you know w.e)

You seem to have a disconnect between titles and other activities.

I know what a bard is. Bard in FFXIV is an archer who can sing. Not a singer who can shoot. The emphasis is key. I'm not saying a bard -cant- use bows. But the focus of the FFXIV bard is archery not being a bard.



And this ^... I dont play FF games to expect dragoon to be different then the last dragoon, I actually want them to be similar (like maintaining chocobos and moogles). Bards use harps as weapons or other musical instruments (usually harps though..).

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Bard

^ I agree with this.

I do know that Square has confirmed that Bards in 2.0 will use instruments now when they play their songs. Whether this is enough to make it feel like Bard is another story.

[Rustyhagun]

But people don't want FFXIV copying any concept from any other game but the Final fantasy series, therefore it must be a plain harp.

Harp, lute, their voice & flute. These are the weapons a FinalFantasy bard should have and either a sword, bow or crossbow as a sub weapon.

Music abilities can also do damage they don't only have to be buffs or debuffs.

[Reika]

Harms lutes flutes and voice can also be ranged weapons that use the power of song to attack, like they normally do in the final fantasy series, so they could just have instruments and have a cool musical auto attack, musical weapon skills, and continuation of musical buffs. The current skillset does not match bard at all, it is a ridiculous attempt at mixing ranger with bard, but just calling it bard.

This is why bard needs its own weaponset, instruments, and own skillset to go along with instruments, not bows and bowskills. they dont fit.