Why not abolish the Class system entirely in favor of Jobs? [@ Devs]

[Duelle]

Bards look nothing like a bard - nothing.. In fact I wouldn't know they were a bard at all if it wasn't for the part where they tell me they are bards.

Bards are an offshoot of the rogue archetype. An archetype that is known for the use of swords, daggers and bows.

Considering Thancred calls himself a bard by trade and is not obvious about it, the fact you have characters like Leliana from Dragon Age and the Axe-Lute guy from Skyrim, you seem to have a very limited perception of what can be called a bard. Again, the Edwardian Bard is not the epitome of Bard-dom. And it is good that SE decided to draw from something other than FFIV or Tactics for this version of the bard.

[Reika]

Bards are an offshoot of the rogue archetype. An archetype that is known for the use of swords, daggers and bows.

Considering Thancred calls himself a bard by trade and is not obvious about it, the fact you have characters like Leliana from Dragon Age and the Axe-Lute guy from Skyrim, you seem to have a very limited perception of what can be called a bard. Again, the Edwardian Bard is not the epitome of Bard-dom.

But people don't want FFXIV copying any concept from any other game but the Final fantasy series, therefore it must be a plain harp.

[Kallera]

But people don't want FFXIV copying any concept from any other game but the Final fantasy series, therefore it must be a plain harp.

Dynasty Warriors introduced a harp type character to their roster since 7. I'm seeing a pattern here....

[Rustyhagun]

But people don't want FFXIV copying any concept from any other game but the Final fantasy series, therefore it must be a plain harp.

Harp, lute, their voice & flute. These are the weapons a FinalFantasy bard should have and either a sword, bow or crossbow as a sub weapon.

Music abilities can also do damage they don't only have to be buffs or debuffs.

[Shougun]

Bards are an offshoot of the rogue archetype. An archetype that is known for the use of swords, daggers and bows.

Considering Thancred calls himself a bard by trade and is not obvious about it, the fact you have characters like Leliana from Dragon Age and the Axe-Lute guy from Skyrim, you seem to have a very limited perception of what can be called a bard. Again, the Edwardian Bard is not the epitome of Bard-dom. And it is good that SE decided to draw from something other than FFIV or Tactics for this version of the bard.

You really dont need to bold and underline anything, I can read without it.


Bards are musicians that play music to boost morale - just like a computer programmer can make programs. Because I can also ride a bike and shoot a bow doesn't mean that is what a computer programmer is. (Actually the meaning of bard is just someone who can recite poetry but you know w.e)

You seem to have a disconnect between titles and other activities.

I know what a bard is. Bard in FFXIV is an archer who can sing. Not a singer who can shoot. The emphasis is key. I'm not saying a bard -cant- use bows. But the focus of the FFXIV bard is archery and not actually being a bard.

But people don't want FFXIV copying any concept from any other game but the Final fantasy series, therefore it must be a plain harp.

And this ^... I dont play FF games to expect dragoon to be different then the last dragoon, I actually want them to be similar (like maintaining chocobos and moogles). Bards use harps as weapons or other musical instruments (usually harps though..).

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Bard

[Duelle]

You really dont need to bold and underline anything, I can read without it.

I feel I have to emphasize when the comment posted by me has been mentioned repeatedly throughout different threads and people still for some reason say things like "FFXIV's Bard is not a bard ".

I know what a bard is. Bard in FFXIV is an archer who can sing. Not a singer who can shoot. The emphasis is key. I'm not saying a bard -cant- use bows. But the focus of the FFXIV bard is archery and not actually being a bard.

Again, just because they don't spend the majority of their gameplay singing doesn't deny them the status of bard. Bards have to know how to fight on some level, either as bowmen in this game, as rogues in the plethora of works that created and continued to inspire the concept of the bard, as would-be barbarians, or even as covert assassins.

This being said, the aspects go hand in hand the way the job is currently designed. That's not a bad thing in the long run.

And this ^... I dont play FF games to expect dragoon to be different then the last dragoon, I actually want them to be similar (like maintaining chocobos and moogles). Bards use harps as weapons or other musical instruments (usually harps though..).

Bards are one of those things that are beyond the singular concept of the Dragoon. Bards are open to interpretation, even within Final Fantasy, just like Paladins are. Squaresoft was well within their rights to interpret paladins as face-melting knights wielding Holy Swordskills in FFTactics. They have as much right to interpret the Bard more along the lines of the classic Bard in this game.

[Shougun]

- SE can do what it wants -.

Yes but that doesnt mean I will like it :P

Face melting paladin in FFT

You mean holy swordsmen? They arent paladins :P

Cecil from FF4 however was pretty facemelting lol

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The purpose of titling something is to say "this is its main thing" if you title it "musketeer/corsair (w.e they are called..)" but 90% of the time he is using a staff, I'm going to say "Uh.. SE... WTF?"

Bard, I want the majority to have to do with being a bard, otherwise just don't bother calling it a bard.

Part of the problem is that archer doesn't speak bard like gladiator speaks paladin or thamaturge speaks black mage. So the class isn't really the best choice for bard to be linked to. Really they should have went ranger or something. And then made a lead up class to bard called something else.

I agree with people in FFXIV that in FFXI not being able to do damage was pretty sucky, but please do damage with your bard-esque stuff...

[Felis]

Bard, I want the majority to have to do with being a bard, otherwise just don't bother calling it a bard.

So you want more bard type skills?

[Shougun]

So you want more bard type skills?

Just more job skills would be a doubtful fix. The emphasis wouldn't change. I'd really like to see the knot between archer and bard untied and replaced in another class which follows a lyrical poetic suit.

More job skills for other jobs would be -great- but when the class isnt bard like which is the 'base' of each job then you wont ever have the emphasis appropriated appropriately.

Like Samurai in FFXI you could use a bow but your 99.9% of the time weapon was a Katana. Thats more of what I'm talking about. And Samurai wasnt screwed because he didnt use the bow a lot - it just came in handy sometimes. I dont mind a bard able to use a bow but it really shouldnt be the bards focus.