Why not abolish the Class system entirely in favor of Jobs? [@ Devs]

[Raagnar]

Some people( you know who you are) are getting way too hung up on the weapon problem. Godseijuro Hiko especially talking down to people he thinks dont understand, use your imagination a bit. Anyone remember how gla used to use dagger? or how cnj and whm can use both wand and staff?

IF drk gets added to gla it doesnt have to be as restrictive as you think. They can make GS or scyth that gla/drk can use but pld cannot. Also the 5 quested abilities can be very drk themed. We can also give them the freedom to experiment with the job a bit more instead of just demanding a copy of FFXI drk.

They could also add a thf class that can use gun/dagger/katana which would later branch into ninja and musketeer(lore friendly: considering the musketeers were pirates first)

[Shadow_Sama]

Some people( you know who you are) are getting way too hung up on the weapon problem. Godseijuro Hiko especially talking down to people he thinks dont understand, use your imagination a bit. Anyone remember how gla used to use dagger? or how cnj and whm can use both wand and staff?

IF drk gets added to gla it doesnt have to be as restrictive as you think. They can make GS or scyth that gla/drk can use but pld cannot. Also the 5 quested abilities can be very drk themed. We can also give them the freedom to experiment with the job a bit more instead of just demanding a copy of FFXI drk.

5 abilities alone don't make a Dark Knight. :/

[Raagnar]

5 abilities alone don't make a Dark Knight. :/

Oh I didnt know you were the authority on the subject. I apologize. What else exactly do we need? It doesnt have to be a copy of ffxi where you had a bunch of elemental crap you never use. Most drk used the drk specific spells and there wasnt a ton of those either.

[syntaxlies]

Oh I didnt know you were the authority on the subject. I apologize. What else exactly do we need? It doesnt have to be a copy of ffxi where you had a bunch of elemental crap you never use. Most drk used the drk specific spells and there wasnt a ton of those either.

Agreed with shadow, would be a bad move to have more then one job from a class with 1.0 mechanics. 5 abilitys don't make a new job.

[Raagnar]

Agreed with shadow, would be a bad move to have more then one job from a class with 1.0 mechanics. 5 abilitys don't make a new job.

Except they do... I shouldnt have to remind you of bard. They made bard out of something that had nothing in common with it. Point being it doesnt have to be the typical jobs you are used to, they have obviously branched away from that with ffxiv's jobs.

[GodseijuroHiko]

Some people( you know who you are) are getting way too hung up on the weapon problem. Godseijuro Hiko especially talking down to people he thinks dont understand, use your imagination a bit. Anyone remember how gla used to use dagger? or how cnj and whm can use both wand and staff?

IF drk gets added to gla it doesnt have to be as restrictive as you think. They can make GS or scyth that gla/drk can use but pld cannot. Also the 5 quested abilities can be very drk themed. We can also give them the freedom to experiment with the job a bit more instead of just demanding a copy of FFXI drk.

They could also add a thf class that can use gun/dagger/katana which would later branch into ninja and musketeer(lore friendly: considering the musketeers were pirates first)

The people you think I was talking down to did not. When you say something and people either ignore it, just to tell you about their great love for the class system and how perfect it is, while not speaking on what the necro guy brought up, they don't get it. I also stated that they were ignoring it on purpose.

As the last few people in the thread have said, 1.0's system was flawed. That's all that was being talked about. Many people have posted how they like the system, but it would need to be reworked. How do you converse with people who just keep harping, "The class system is great,GTFO!"

5 Dark themed abilities won't do much to alter the massive amount of tank themed abilities and traits from the Gladiator. Won't make it any less of a tank.

Fast Blade
Rampart
Phalanx
Aegis Boon
Enhanced Physical Defense
Savage Blade
Enhanced Rampart
Flash
Shield Bash
Swift Aegis Boon
Sentinel
Enhanced Physical Defense II
Flat Blade
Enhanced Flash
Riot Blade
Enhanced Physical Crit Resilience
Outmaneuver
Enhanced Sentinel
War Drum 38
Enhanced Physical Defense III
Tempered Will
Enhanced Outmaneuver
Rage of Halone
Enhanced Flash II
Goring Blade

The problem became more apparent soon as they decided that sentinel was no longer a class to level up, and only when you had a shield. Then again, in Tactics, dark knights were able to use them.
Minus the weapon skills, Do you notice the trend with the traits? I figured it would be easier to just spell it out in a nice list, since you know, I like talking down to "everyone."
Using my imagination, I can come up with 5 ultra dark themed abilities + weapon skills but my brain is still telling me it's still a tank. So, I'll go with what was used before.

Sanguine Sword
Infernal Strike
Crushing Blow
Abyssal Blade
Unholy Sacrafice

Those taken straight from my favorite FF, Tactics.

Is anti FFXI, the only thing people can come up with? No one is asking for Final Fantasy XI. If you must know, When I think dark night, I think of FFIV and FFT. Nothing gladiator offered, hints that it's anywhere close to being a dark night.

Imagination is awesome, but without some perspective, it runs wild.

The restrictions, we're so hung up on, is deeper than you're making it out to be. You just straight up made a dark job in your head with Defensive abilities... and it's because classes are tied to weapons, it makes it hard introducing new ones without having a class tied to them or, a job that would be able to use them in the future. I don't personally care if you like me or not, but if all you have to say to our thoughts are, "you're hung up on this, we don't need it to be like final fantasy xi, you're talking down to people who you think don't understand, let's not talk about this anymore," then you should probably don't read. Just lurk, demonize us in your head, and just move along. (which is obnoxious imo, but people keep trying to shut up the convo.)

I don't really want classes to go, but I'm not going to dismiss their argument just because I don't like it. It makes sense that classes became kinda obsolete when jobs were introduced. Like I said in other posts which you conveniently forgot to mention, we're just engaging in talk, and I'm personally excited to see how Yoshi tweaks this.