Why not abolish the Class system entirely in favor of Jobs? [@ Devs]

[Shougun]

Yeah, THM and BLM definately do play differently. Having a bit more distinction between classes and jobs can't really hurt. I like the class/job system seperate, myself.

Jobs + Advanced Jobs. . . >.>; Only other way to add distinction is to wait till a level cap - but somehow at least for me it doesnt make sense that leveling THM automatically levels my BLM as they are supposed to be different. And if you level them at the same time your still forcing a similiarty between BLM and THM so that they really aren't that separate.

And THM is one of the better classes. Still you can maintain classes (jobs) freedom and make ADVJ have limited "sub" job references.

[Thebard]

You tell someone they have their "head up their ass", and then preach to them about their inability to have a sensible debate?

Another lazy/angry person who hasn't read any of my posts on this subject...
Oh wait I'm so sorry for remaining impartial about classes until I have played the beta, how wrong of me. I mean how dare I do or say anything that is not saying SE is wonderful in every way, I forgot FFXIV was fine and didn't need rebuilding from the ground up, how could I have overlooked its absolute perfection!

[SkyeWindbinder]

Jobs + Advanced Jobs. . . >.>; Only other way to add distinction is to wait till a level cap - but somehow at least for me it doesnt make sense that leveling THM automatically levels my BLM as they are supposed to be different. And if you level them at the same time your still forcing a similiarty between BLM and THM so that they really aren't that separate.

And THM is one of the better classes. Still you can maintain classes (jobs) freedom and make ADVJ have limited "sub" job references.

Well, the way I see it, you are levellin a job in anticipation of a class. To be a thaumaturge, all you have to do is level up your character. However, the class abilities must be earned through super hard quests, many of them party quests. I rather like the system how they have it set up.

[SkyeWindbinder]

Another lazy/angry person who hasn't read any of my posts on this subject...
Oh wait I'm so sorry for remaining impartial about classes until I have played the beta, how wrong of me. I mean how dare I do or say anything that is not saying SE is wonderful in every way, I forgot FFXIV was fine and didn't need rebuilding from the ground up, how could I have overlooked its absolute perfection!

lol The point of what I posted was not to debate with you, it was to tell you to calm down. Telling someone they have their "head up their ass" is a bit much, don't you think? You really need to chill.

[Shougun]

Well, the way I see it, you are levellin a job in anticipation of a class. To be a thaumaturge, all you have to do is level up your character. However, the class abilities must be earned through super hard quests, many of them party quests. I rather like the system how they have it set up.

I like the abilities earned through quests as well but I dont think that has to be a job only distinction. You can move that through any of the other suggested systems in this thread.

[SkyeWindbinder]

I like the abilities earned through quests as well but I dont think that has to be a job only distinction. You can move that through any of the other suggested systems in this thread.

I'm curious, what exactly would you suggest? (I'm too lazy too look through the thread to see myself, so humor me. lol)

[Thebard]

lol The point of what I posted was not to debate with you, it was to tell you to calm down. Telling someone they have their "head up their ass" is a bit much, don't you think? You really need to chill.

No, I think its really quite polite and appropriate considering that persons blinkered attitude. If ya don't tell em how it is they just keep on QQ and end up a spoiled brat.
Sorry if I annoyed you though, I hate to annoy a lala they go all tough and chewy when cooked.

[Keith_Dragoon]

No, I think its really quite polite and appropriate considering that persons blinkered attitude. If ya don't tell em how it is they just keep on QQ and end up a spoiled brat.
Sorry if I annoyed you though, I hate to annoy a lala they go all tough and chewy when cooked.

I agree with Skye, you are WAY too aggressive for no reason, should tone it down abit.

[Shougun]

I'm curious, what exactly would you suggest? (I'm too lazy too look through the thread to see myself, so humor me. lol)

Create a FFT (tactics/advance) system XD

Can use jobs to unlock jobs. Certain jobs may be considered advanced jobs that have extra restrictions applied to them (like base jobs can access all jobs but advance jobs can only access two (BLM = GLD + THM). (Also means weapons are not the job maker)

Can get around things like "How the hell do we make a blue mage without making a class dedicated to it that doesn't want to share any of its abilities with other classes" and can also do things like "Perhaps the bard should have an instrument and a bow..." (get around ability and item restrictions).

You can sort of do some of these things like making a class use two types of items but say you want to make a bow that archer, samurai, bard, and ranger can use. The system support will start to become convoluted as rules come in place like "can be secondary weapon for samurai is main hand weapon for ranger, bard has secondary harp). Gladiator using a dagger x thief using a dagger x thief's base class using a dagger. Or if you want an Advance job unlocked from two particular jobs but you don't want them to have a weapon similarity. The current system would become inconsistent (convoluted).

(However to separate classes from jobs in feeling (abilities/skills) in the current system.. good freaking luck)

Though I can see some people saying (perhaps you ) "I dont want to level a new job but rather "extend" the current class". Which is preference, I cant really argue about that.

[Abriael]

lol The point of what I posted was not to debate with you, it was to tell you to calm down. Telling someone they have their "head up their ass" is a bit much, don't you think? You really need to chill.

Oh goodness, hear who's talking. The one that thinks he's entitled to call others whiners, crybabies and other unflattering adjectives.

While Thebard should indeed tone it down, you're hardly one to talk. Does it burn when you're on the receiving end?


Back to the thread at hand. No.

Classes are for soloing/flexibility, jobs are for party/specialization. The system gives the best of both worlds and there's no reason to change it.

Besides, a large part of the lore is already written over the existence of classes.