Global Alpha Test Start Date

[Reinheart]

Ruk... just answer one question for me plz...

In ARR is the gra.....

I mean hows the lag so far?

[Soukyuu]

Again, all they have to do is to deny such wild theories officially. I'll definitely believe whatever they say unless I'm shown conclusive evidence of the contrary.

The evidence is the fact that it's says so on the application form. Going by your argumentation, even if they said "no, it's working like it should, active account required", you would still not believe them.

But deleting the thread that includes the complaint gives me all kinds of bad singnals. I would also mention that by taking it upon yourself to take a confrontational stance with those that are dissatisfied in the presence of a potentially serious PR blunder, you do SE no favors.

That's why a moderator has the "lock" button, which is what has been used in previous, equivalent cases. Mind you, that thread was no duplicate, as it asked about a very specific issue, that wasn't included in the others, that are generic complaints about not being invited.

Again, the "climbing mirrors" metaphor comes to mind.

The judgement on whether delete, lock or merge topics lies by the moderator. If people on the english forums would finally get it into their heads that opening 10 different threads on the same topics with different formulations doesn't do anything except inciting spam of repeated posting in all those 10 threads, we'd see less deletions sending wrong signals. Other language forums don't seem to be having this problem, why does this one do?

Ruk... just answer one question for me plz...

In ARR is the gra.....

I mean hows the lag so far?

The alpha starts on the 28th, I think the servers are still down.

[Abriael]

The evidence is the fact that it's says so on the application form. Going by your argumentation, even if they said "no, it's working like it should, active account required", you would still not believe them.

Climbing mirrors again I see. That's the evidence that such a rule exists, not that it hasn't been broken. The allegations state that the rule has been broken, not that it was never mentioned to begin with.

SE has nothing to lose and everything to gain by officially refuting the allegations, if they are false, that is.

The judgement on whether delete, lock or merge topics lies by the moderator. If people on the english forums would finally get it into their heads that opening 10 different threads on the same topics with different formulations doesn't do anything except inciting spam of repeated posting in all those 10 threads. Other language forums don't seem to be having this problem, why does this one do?

But that thread was not on the same topic and didn't just have a different formulation. It was on a very specific issue not covered by any other thread that I saw. You're digressing, I'm afraid.

And no, no serious moderating team leaves the decision to delete or lock threads to the sole discretion of the single moderator, there are policies in place, regulating how to respond to any specific situation (and they are in place mainly to avoid PR blunders), and previous issues shown us that the policy for this kind of case isn't deletion. Also, deletion of a whole large thread over an issue of duplication is not considered kosher in any forum handled seriously, which is why it looks very suspicious here.

[Soukyuu]

Ok, let's try this...

I just got my brother to sign up for alpha.
His account was not active ever since the payment started.
The application was accepted.

Your turn, SE. And I hope it's not thread deletion.

[Abriael]

Ok, let's try this...

I just got my brother to sign up for alpha.
His account was not active ever since the payment started.
The application was accepted.

Your turn, SE. And I hope it's not thread deletion.

Which is actually rather weird, because when the application was opened multiple friends of mine tried to apply but were bounced because their account wasn't active.

Evidently something changed in running. It may just be an honest mistake mind you, but in that case owning up to it and posting an apology would go a much longer way than sweeping the problem under the rug.

If there was a problem with the system they would have picked it up instantly, people here just think because people are posting about not getting in then most actives didn't get in over inactives.

the post I just quoted above yours shows that a problem is indeed present. Wheter the rule was changed without communication, or a technical problem prevented it from applying, it's rather evident that inactive accounts can indeed apply to the test.

[Soukyuu]

Which is actually rather weird, because when the application was opened multiple friends of mine tried to apply but were bounced because their account wasn't active.

I'm guessing this might something to do with the fact they planned to allow inactive accounts to join the end of era event. That's probably when that check was taken out by mistake.

[Delsus]

Ok, let's try this...

I just got my brother to sign up for alpha.
His account was not active ever since the payment started.
The application was accepted.

Your turn, SE. And I hope it's not thread deletion.

It may have been accepted but who said it will be in SE's database come selection, it may not be there now even, just a flag saying he has already applied stopping him applying again, he will just not be included in the selection next time round.

Acknowledging receipt of an application is meaningless unless he gets in. I have had many job applications acknowledge receipt of them, but a lot less giving me an interview, this is no different.

[Abriael]

It may have been accepted but who said it will be in SE's database come selection, it may not be there now even, just a flag saying he has already applied stopping him applying again, he will just not be included in the selection next time round.

Acknowledging receipt of an application is meaningless unless he gets in. I have had many job applications acknowledge receipt of them, but a lot less giving me an interview, this is no different.

That kind of form actually compares your application with the data on your account automatically. It's not just a fire and forget e mail form that you can just send whatever the conditions. When the application was opened several people complained that they weren't able to apply, and then they noticed that the reason was simply that their account wasn't active (they didn't initially read the rule).

To verify, you can try applying to the beta right now yourself. The system will immediately tell you that you're unable to apply because your account is already applied.

I'm glad they did.

Why saturate the forums with a thread on the same subject over and over. Just keep it all in one spot.

Please, let's not insult each other's intelligence. It's not very becoming. Not only that thread was not a duplicate of any other, as it involved a very specific issue. There are still multiple threads on the generic "Baaaaah! Why didn't I get accepted!?!" topic, and none of them has been touched.

Quite obviously duplication or redundance aren't the issue here. Trying to divert attention towards that issue is a tad disingenuous.

[Delsus]

That kind of form actually compares your application with the data on your account automatically. It's not just a fire and forget e mail form that you can just send whatever the conditions. When the application was opened several people complained that they weren't able to apply because their account was inactive.

To verify, you can try applying to the beta right now yourself. The system will immediately tell you that you're unable to apply because your account is already applied.

The thing is that will be a flag on my account, not the database which is remaining intact until after beta (I would imagine) however the application could go in, then when they run the selection script, that checks whether the account is active or inactive, rather than when the application is submitted.

[SkyeWindbinder]

Please, let's not insult each other's intelligence. It's not very becoming. Not only that thread was not a duplicate of any other, as it involved a very specific issue. There are still multiple threads on the generic "Baaaaah! Why didn't I get accepted!?!" topic, and none of them has been touched.

Quite obviously duplication or redundance aren't the issue here. Trying to divert attention towards that issue is a tad disingenuous.

Perhaps they have yet to get to those other threads. At any rate, my point was that multiple threads on the same subject don't really need to exist, whether they're exact clones or not. And I really have no reason to divert from anything, so that made absolutely no sense whatsoever. lol