Job Individuality/Pride/Dedication

[Reika]

Everybody supports the on the fly job switch. Well maybe the minority who doesn't support it simply because it's their personal preference to display their pride and dedication and that they are unhappy by being ask to change to a job they don't really like and it disrupt their enjoyment of the game.

I don't know how many percentage wise as whole FFXIV community but my guts tells me it's the minority.

Everyone on this thread is correct be it the majority or minority. We just gotta learn to embrace the system and come 2.0 ARR we'll have to learn again to embrace the system while continue to give our feedback on this forum to improve the overall game play

People really only hit on changing classes inside of a dungeon or instance that should change, like they do with hamlet defense. No one whines that they cant change inside hamlet, and dungeons are being re-made so there will probably not even be a reason to switch inside. I think everyone likes being able to change class everywhere else too. Yoshida said they are also looking at restricting job changes inside of dungeons, so hes thinking the same thing.

[Crevox]

My fastest Ifrit kill has been 1 PLD, 5 LNC, 1 BLM and a WHM.

You can talk about how the system doesn't work, but it does. For the longest time, people though "BLM or Bust." But then people started experimenting, and experimentation has led to alternate strategies.

The system isn't flawed. The thinking of the community is.

This isn't experimentation, this is class stacking once the player-base realized which class did the highest DPS.

[Alerith]

This isn't experimentation, this is class stacking once the player-base realized which class did the highest DPS.

I was using it as an example as to how people DO try different things. And you can do Ifrit with any mix of jobs, so long as you have *GASP* one tank and one healer!

Can you imagine?

[Crevox]

I was using it as an example as to how people DO try different things. And you can do Ifrit with any mix of jobs, so long as you have *GASP* one tank and one healer!

Can you imagine?

It's a really poor example, and extremely obvious. Why even mention it? If they didn't try it once they figured out lancers were the best, you'd be assuming the player base is stupid.

And this is exactly my point; people are only willing to try the best compositions. Everyone thought BLM was the best, so they did that; now they discovered LNC was the best, so they switched to that. It's not an issue in localized scenarios, but it's an issue when random parties deny you an invite because they're all going for that composition (because it's optimal/best).

[Aenarion]

@Crevox

And what's your point? it's going to happen regardless of whether there is an armory system or not. In fact, it'll happen as long as the classes/jobs aren't homogenous.

Want to try out your own strategy/composition? put the party together yourself. You're not a special snowflake, you're not entitled to join parties that others have taken the effort and initiative to setup.

[Soukyuu]

Player skill overrides most things. due to latency and skill some players may not be able to hit and run effectively. what works for you doesn't work for everyone. some groups off the wall strats are successful. others they are not.

This is precisely the reason why one should let someone play a class that is deemed to not be suited in an encounter. As an example, I totally suck at BLM. I just can't play that class even if my life depended on it. I have no problems surviving as a MNK while dealing good damage though. If I already participated in an encounter, I know what to expect. However, the problem is, when you convince someone to let you play MNK in a new encounter and after the first failed try they go "see, it doesn't work". Yeah, it doesn't work. Their first attempt at the regular strat probably didn't work either, but since they know it's an accepted strat, they assume they did something wrong and need experience, versus the other case where it simply "doesn't work".

Also, latency is a lame excuse unless we're speaking about more than a second delay on anything, which is not normal and will make them suck just as much with any other job.

there is somethign wrong with someone joining a group. saying they have DRG, WHM, and MNK available. and then complaining they have to go WHM when the group needs a whm and already has 3 DRGs.

I'm not arguing against that. When I name my jobs, I only name those that I can play and have experience with.

'sorry, i need you on blm if we're going to win this. we're cutting it close as it is. I know you don't want to play blm but i need you to decide if you'd rather win this fight with us, or try the fight with someone else with a questionable strat. not all of us have 4 hours to waste trying new things'

Because it's all about winning with the majority of people. Most of my fun memories come from something going wrong and everyone laughing about it. I guess I better not participate in "hardcore" endgame content.

If I had enough free time, I'd probably made my own group, but so far it seems that people with a similar mindset are few and are strewn across servers.

[Aerenvel]

I dunno guys looks like your arguing over nothing tbh.

Your not entitled to join groups looking for something specific if you want to be apart of it conform to requirments of that group or wait to make your own with your own. Sry you dont jump into someones party and make the rules(however you can make suggestions) That is in any MMO
Another big thing you forgeti is if they add content dungeons witha que system, for those with not as much time can que for (THEIR) job and play that job.
Find a more chill LS if you are not enjoying yourself find people who you will enjoy playing with.
Rem Also which i am sure everyone has to take a step back and remember it is not all about you them myself included.
It is not all about winning but people dont like to keep failing,
Also with AddOn Mods it will be easier to make more precise caculations and more indepth strats.
Should suggest something like class specific party buffs/aura like diff buff depending on the type of party you have setup with a cap out so you cant stack like for example if DRG gave a dmg up it would cap out at 3 or w/e.
Something that promotes Diverse party lineups and not all about dps output.
or magic def up with caster lineup pld mt war dmg neg a refresh effect w/e
Not saying it has to be like this just an idea.

[Aerenvel]

Lol....
When they allow add ons you will learn that it really does not come down to the class but how the player utilized the potential of it.
Gear will obviously help but diff fights require diff dmg
When you got a dps meter you might have 5drgs but if 3 are putting out 1k dps and the 2 are putting out 500dps a sec theres prob something wrong with the rotation or having to conform to fight mechs so dps lost moving vs range dps of tht of a blm that is also putting out 1k dps. Just because you see big numbers pop up dont mean they are doing the most dmg.
Big problem is people dont realize you cant change people the best you can do is inspire others to change themselves.
and how the community will mentor have patience for people is something i am starting to question.
People tend to tune out if you start yelling and degrading them.

[Aerenvel]

Also you seem to discredit support classes, if you have a bard doing 500dps but increases the dps of overall group tank included
now each member is doing an extra 100dps the 5drgs went from 900 to 1000 each the tank went up to 600dps from 500
Is that Bard not doing the most dps overall? ZZZzzz

[Cailae]

Because it's all about winning with the majority of people. Most of my fun memories come from something going wrong and everyone laughing about it. I guess I better not participate in "hardcore" endgame content.

If I had enough free time, I'd probably made my own group, but so far it seems that people with a similar mindset are few and are strewn across servers.

What you are implying here is that you want to join parties, have them let you waste their time by learning a new strategy, and then you don't even have the courtesy to at least take the initiative yourself? Do you not see how ridiculously selfish that is?

It's one thing to look for like-minded people yourself to do content in ways you want to. Find other people that want to make fun memories or wiping! Join a linkshell that does stuff like that. But to join a PUG group shouting for a win on something, then demand they let you use a job not suited for their strategy then deride them for wanting the win, and kicking you? that is just, wow.

I think that is the single most selfish thing I have ever heard in any MMO ever.