Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll]

[Shougun]

I [don't] want to play this game [just] for online fake marriage.

But.. .. Thats not what you told me.. !!!!

lol

Anyone that can read Japanese other then Google Japanese know if the Japanese forums are talking about it? If so how is the general opinion?

[RoxyLalonde]

But.. .. Thats not what you told me.. !!!!

lol

Anyone that can read Japanese other then Google Japanese know if the Japanese forums are talking about it? If so how is the general opinion?

They dislike the idea of marriage altogether and want it to be called something else... they literally don't seem to fond of marriage in general and would prefer something more friend or bond related...

[Kallera]

They dislike the idea of marriage altogether and want it to be called something else... they literally don't seem to fond of marriage in general and would prefer something more friend or bond related...

Are any of the JP posters commenting about this thread in particular?

[Colvin]

While marriage itself in idea form existed before the main religions, I can understand the desire to change the name out of respect to what they have adopted (what most people think they invented).

I feel I should point out that the Oxford and webster dictionaries actually define marriage as a union between a "husband" and "wife", and then go on to specifically call a "husband" and "wife" as a "man or woman (respectively) in the state of marriage or matrimony"

for quick reference you can look here:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/marriage?s=t

Take notice of the fact that it includes a sub-term "gay marriage" as a "similar institution" between 2 people of the same sex. Most people don't realize this, but in most dictionaries, contexts, and societies, Marriage is in fact defined as heterosexual in nature (That is not to say that widespead opinion shouldnt change this fact).

In terms of the origins of the word "Marriage", It was created between 1250–1300 AD during the middle ages as referenced to the Middle English mariage of different spelling.

So actually Marriage has always been between a Man and a Woman and is in many circles considered a type of slang when used with same sex relationships. I'm not putting a judgement here, I am simply stating why I think we all get hung up on the idea of changing the meaning of the word Marriage when we really should just stop using that term to describe something it traditionally isnt (Even if we want it to). It is a bit like deciding you are just going to start calling a hamburger a hot dog because they both contain meat.

What we should really do is come up with a term, other than marriage, that best describes a relationship between two individuals based on love (since that is what people defend as their need to call it a marriage). I mean honestly, there is nothing in the definition of marriage that says ANYTHING about love and if you know anything about history it has CERTAINLY been an optional component.

[Shougun]

They dislike the idea of marriage altogether and want it to be called something else... they literally don't seem to fond of marriage in general and would prefer something more friend or bond related...

So I think perhaps the best option would to just have options then lol. Theme, ritual types, gears that can be made but dont have to be associated.

If you pick the right rituals and themes it is pretty much a classical wedding - but you could just go the route of a friend binding with cool scene that way.

FF = friends and romance (in over half the FF games). Support both, force neither.

[RoxyLalonde]

They've made a few references to how much we've discussed it a bit... in general it summarizes to
They don't seem to like the word marriage
They think the topic is sensitive in other countries and thusly the name should be changed for that reason aswell
They believe that no one should be excluded.

[Shougun]

I feel I should point out that the Oxford and webster dictionaries actually define marriage as a union between a "husband" and "wife", and then go on to specifically call a "husband" and "wife" as a "man or woman (respectively) in the state of marriage or matrimony"

for quick reference you can look here:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/marriage?s=t

Take notice of the fact that it includes a sub-term "gay marriage" as a "similar institution" between 2 people of the same sex. Most people don't realize this, but in most dictionaries, contexts, and societies, Marriage is in fact defined as heterosexual in nature (That is not to say that widespead opinion shouldnt change this fact).

In terms of the origins of the word "Marriage", It was created between 1250–1300 AD during the middle ages as referenced to the Middle English mariage of different spelling.

So actually Marriage has always been between a Man and a Woman and is in many circles considered a type of slang when used with same sex relationships. I'm not putting a judgement here, I am simply stating why I think we all get hung up on the idea of changing the meaning of the word Marriage when we really should just stop using that term to describe something it traditionally isnt (Even if we want it to). It is a bit like deciding you are just going to start calling a hamburger a hot dog because they both contain meat.

What we should really do is come up with a term, other than marriage, that best describes a relationship between two individuals based on love (since that is what people defend as their need to call it a marriage). I mean honestly, there is nothing in the definition of marriage that says ANYTHING about love and if you know anything about history it has CERTAINLY been an optional component.

Excellent point to the word itself. Marriage as an idea of binding has been around a long time, even a binding between two of the same sex - but... it didnt have the spelling "m a r r i a g e".

Since we have no other options we always give marriage a huge meaning it doesnt carry (obviously myself included lol).

We need a new word for the binding for love .

+1'd

[Colvin]

Interesting, to make the rpg"er" happy.

And this is where I stopped reading

Guys, I would highly suggest that if someone puts a response that is totally out of whack that you just not respond to it. There is no sense in dignifying ubiquitous banter with answers.

[AmyNeudaiz]

Guys, I would highly suggest that if someone puts a response that is totally out of whack that you just not respond to it. There is no sense in dignifying ubiquitous banter with answers.

I do not particularly like my opinion being misrepresented. If you say your favorite color is Yellow and someone turns around and tells people it's Pink, you're going to want to correct them. That is the last I have to say on the matter.

What we should really do is come up with a term, other than marriage.

I personally like the term bonding.

[Colvin]

We need a new word for the binding for love .

Quite a few cultural institutions have chosen "binding" as an alternative term for marriage quite successfully.

Another interesting tidbit about marriage:

Up until as little as 40 years ago, only the woman was required to say "love, honor, and obey" in most ceremonies. Additionally, prior to the 20th century, there was no mention of the word anywhere in marriage. It is our romantic culture that has really altered that perception.

Didn't Final Fantasy XI previously use the term "hand-fasting?" This is a very old term to describe the old celtic rites of "marriage". This kind of thing is mostly practiced in SCA and pagan rituals these days; groups that are some of the highest acceptors of gay/lesiban and even plural marriage lifestyles. It would seem that since Final Fantasy XIV is a pagan society (no really, look up what it means), that this would be a good term to use.

Additionally, SE can go out of their way to allow players to run the process so there is no inherant game verification of sex. This way they can distance themselves from the modern issues and just let the players do what they want without assuming moral responsibility, which in the end, is really what should happen.