[Speculation Discussion] Our Primal

[Wynn]

Interesting theory, but how would this explain Bahamut? Would he be Rhalgr the Destroyer, somehow went rogue then got sealed up? Rhalgr is one of The Twelve..why would we pray to them to save the world, when one of them is bent on destroying it? This doesn't hold a lot of water with me. :x

My theory is Bahamut is the dragons' primal or even possibly a very powerful, ancient dragon king.

To answer your other question, the primals aren't necessarily bent on distroying the world, they just want our undying devotion to them as we bow down and call them gods... and feed them crystals. They have this bad habit of sucking the life energy out of the planet, but meh, no god is perfect.

Louisoix even said that summoning the twelve could be very bad and taxing on the land, but the alternative was worse so they had to try to summon them.

Who knows. Maybe the original summoning of the twelve to entrap Bahamut is what made the Allagan Empire disappear in the first place.

All speculation of course, but I find it to be a very compelling theory.

[Wynn]

I don't think they meant that the Twelve are the Primals that we see the beastmen using, but that they're different Primals altogether (Similar to what Anonymoose, Zantetsuken, and I are trying to illustrate, with them being "Espers" from previous games which also followed the Zodiac relationships)

Odin has a different classification from "normal" primals. They are calling him an Elder Primal. Perhaps the Twelve are all Elder Primals and beings like Ifrit and Garuda are lesser primals, demi-gods if you will.

[Warlock]

Odin has a different classification from "normal" primals. They are calling him an Elder Primal. Perhaps the Twelve are all Elder Primals and beings like Ifrit and Garuda are lesser primals, demi-gods if you will.

Bahamut is also an Elder Primal. ppl keep mentioning Zodiac in all this can't help but think that each one of the 12 could have it's armor set in game (that would be so cool) just like the Anime of the Zodiacs hahaha and you would get the armor of the deity you chose

[Fantasia]

Odin has a different classification from "normal" primals. They are calling him an Elder Primal. Perhaps the Twelve are all Elder Primals and beings like Ifrit and Garuda are lesser primals, demi-gods if you will.

I think Primals like Odin, Alexander, and Bahamut are possibly too 'strong' to want/need to be worshipped, and just happen to be aetherial beings that exist. I can't wait to actually get involved with the ARR story! =$

Bahamut is also an Elder Primal. ppl keep mentioning Zodiac in all this can't help but think that each one of the 12 could have it't armor set in game (that would be so cool) just like the Anime of the Zodiacs hahaha and you would get the armor of the deity you chose

Patch 1.23b added rings from each of The Twelve, and you only got to use the one to whom your character was aligned. It would be AMAZING to be able to get full sets of armour moulded on/around your sign, too =D

[Anonymoose]

I've tried linking The Twelve to the zodiac and the Espers a few times, but it always makes my head hurt. Some of them are pulled from other areas. For instance, no matter how you slice it, Nymeia is based on Nona, the Roman equivalent of Clotho, one of the three fates; the spinner of the thread of life. This is most evident by Nymeia's original association with the Ninth Moon, a number heavily associated with Nona, and the fact that Nymeia's brother, Althyk, is based on Saturn - brother of Clotho.

[Fantasia]

I've tried linking The Twelve to the zodiac and the Espers a few times, but it always makes my head hurt.

Haha, I kept refreshing the page on your last post wanting to see where you'd go with it, but I noticed a lot of inactivity =b That's a shame! But yeah, I understand why it's hard... I struggled to make links between the two games themselves, let alone going back to the Romans,

[Lucke]

I want to believe our primal is one of the 12. Ifrit wonders why we don't call ours, but if our primal is the 12, then we kinda do. Our primal is different for each person. My Deity is Halone, so she is my Primal. Nymeia may be another player's primal.

Maybe as Summoner, we can summon the typical Ifrit, Shiva, Titan, etc, but also a part of our patron deity too. Or, maybe we don't need Summoner to call them, maybe it's just an ability all jobs have but has like a 2 hour cool down.

I don't know what they will do if we call them. Yeah the more war-like primals can probably fight, but what about Nymeia, or Nald'Thal? They don't really fight...one's a Weaver, the other is a trader/death.

Maybe Nymeia will boost Weaver HQ rate or Nald can boost our items' selling price to NPCs, and Thal can give everyone reraise...I forgot which one is the trader and which one is death lol.

[Fantasia]

I don't know what they will do if we call them. Yeah the more war-like primals can probably fight, but what about Nymeia, or Nald'Thal? They don't really fight...one's a Weaver, the other is a trader/death.

Maybe Nymeia will boost Weaver HQ rate or Nald can boost our items' selling price to NPCs, and Thal can give everyone reraise...I forgot which one is the trader and which one is death lol.

You're forgetting that all of the The Twelve have an elemental affinity, so it might just be as simple as an elemental attack, if they're even involved in fighting at all.

I don't think we'll be able to call them at all, since they 'drain aether' at such a large scale.

[Warlock]

You're forgetting that all of the The Twelve have an elemental affinity, so it might just be as simple as an elemental attack, if they're even involved in fighting at all.

I don't think we'll be able to call them at all, since they 'drain aether' at such a large scale.

Yeah i'll remain inclined to the possibility of our deity giving us gifts for battle instead of us summoning them, gifts like Armor set or an ability ....or an Armor set that becomes powerful when using a 2hour ability granted by your deity make their essence appear by your side when doing so to do the special ability and your eyes glow! zomg i'm brainstorming too much

[Fantasia]

Yeah i'll remain inclined to the possibility of our deity giving us gifts for battle instead of us summoning them, gifts like Armor set or an ability ....or an Armor set that becomes powerful when using a 2hour ability granted by your deity make their essence appear by your side when doing so to do the special ability and your eyes glow! zomg i'm brainstorming too much

Ahahah! Keep planning =b I hope we get some kind of physical "gift" from them! I really wanna see my set of Thaliak armour!!! Would look so good =D