FFXIV-- the fear of a WoW Clone is real...

[Totorixiii]

Have faith in Yoshi-P. I truly believe Yoshi is adding the best part of other MMO while listening to the player base request while at the same time continue to make FFXIV ARR special in it's own way! Believe because they are doing their best not to screw up again.

[Zyph]

SWTOR literally has nothing new to add to the genre, and what it does have there are better examples elsewhere. GW2 does have a few interesting pieces of stuff but is far to early to tell what will work and what doesn't.

people are so quick to pounce.

I wasn't pouncing on you specifically, but everyone in this thread spelling doom. It doesn't matter what other games did things better than SWTOR, they specifically said they were looking at SWTOR so that's what's being included and cited in this conversation. SWTOR had great storytelling and voice acting. Let's hope SE's drawing inspiration from that.

And GW2's been out 3 months, it's pretty obvious what's working. I can only hope SE's looking at some of the open world play aspects or the concept of multiple paths in a dungeon, each with a unique story to tell and different boss (Toto-rak almost had this.)

But looking at where games failed and succeeded in broad concepts is far different from saying "Guild Wars 2 has two currency types, one for primarily player/player transactions and one for player/NPC transactions, let's do exactly this." They are not the same thing.

[Legado]

SE is a company that wants to make money, and the way companies make games is almost a direct result of what people want in a game. If you are wondering why no niche genres of MMOs can survive you have to look no further than yourself when placing blame. I know there is a small number of us that want nothing more than a nice community that enjoys a very rich and specific game direction where things aren't always handed to us so easily and gear is an actual achievement when obtained. But more and more we are going to see companies go away from those specific ideas that some communities (like the ffxi community) enjoy and hold dear, including myself. We are coming to an age in gaming where in order for a MMO to become and stay successful they must cater to the masses and make games so general that it can appeal to a large number of peoples tastes.

At the end of the day I believe that SE has done a pretty good job so far with 2.0. It's "westerny" enough to appeal to those people who only know and want to play those WoW style button mashers, and Japanese enough to hold the attention of old school XI lovers.

[Eremite]

How dare they improve gameplay and customer retention by studying the successful points of other MMOs. The horror.

[Genjuro]

1.0 was different and everyone seemed to hate different. So now they're giving us something familiar and now we're fearful of it being too similar to something else. Do we really even know what we want?

[Totorixiii]

SE is a company that wants to make money, and the way companies make games is almost a direct result of what people want in a game. If you are wondering why no niche genres of MMOs can survive you have to look no further than yourself when placing blame. I know there is a small number of us that want nothing more than a nice community that enjoys a very rich and specific game direction where things aren't always handed to us so easily and gear is an actual achievement when obtained. But more and more we are going to see companies go away from those specific ideas that some communities (like the ffxi community) enjoy and hold dear, including myself. We are coming to an age in gaming where in order for a MMO to become and stay successful they must cater to the masses and make games so general that it can appeal to a large number of peoples tastes.

At the end of the day I believe that SE has done a pretty good job so far with 2.0. It's "westerny" enough to appeal to those people who only know and want to play those WoW style button mashers, and Japanese enough to hold the attention of old school XI lovers.

*THIS* I've always believe the same way. And Yoshi P is doing his best to make FFXIV ARR a mixture of both.

[Ingolf]

How dare they improve gameplay and customer retention by studying the successful points of other MMOs. The horror.

10/10 would like again.

[Valmonte]

I wasn't pouncing on you specifically, but everyone in this thread spelling doom. It doesn't matter what other games did things better than SWTOR, they specifically said they were looking at SWTOR so that's what's being included and cited in this conversation. SWTOR had great storytelling and voice acting. Let's hope SE's drawing inspiration from that.

And GW2's been out 3 months, it's pretty obvious what's working. I can only hope SE's looking at some of the open world play aspects or the concept of multiple paths in a dungeon, each with a unique story to tell and different boss (Toto-rak almost had this.)

But looking at where games failed and succeeded in broad concepts is far different from saying "Guild Wars 2 has open world quests where you can just kill mobs and gain credit without talking to NPCs, let's do exactly this." They are not the same thing.

Final Fantasy 14 had dame good voice acting, why would they need to look else where for that? perhaps Yoshi should stop looking outward and start looking in.

[Zyph]

Final Fantasy 14 had dame good voice acting, why would they need to look else where for that? perhaps Yoshi should stop looking outward and start looking in.

Really? I didn't see voice acting anywhere but the opening, did you? And most of it wasn't dialogue or character development based, it was exposition and quips.

They already said they're doing VA work for the main storyline, so it looks like they've at least got that.

[Abriael]

I giggle every time I see different people defining different games a "wow clone" simply because they (most of the times irrationally) don't like them, no matter the fact that none of them is actually a clone of anything.

It's become the "generic MMORPG insult" for when one has nothing logical to express in terms of criticism.

Final Fantasy 14 had dame good voice acting, why would they need to look else where for that? perhaps Yoshi should stop looking outward and start looking in.

Did you play the game past chapter 1? Oh, and by the way, the English voice acting in Final Fantasy XIV was one of the worst I've seen in the past few years. The choice of actors was horribly botched, and the lines were delivered in a generally unconvincing way.