Focus Classes amongst their respective Jobs

[Rhomagus]

mrd has no steel cycle which will make it worse all the time.

You are right that a Warrior has access to Steel Cyclone. You are wrong that it makes a Warrior better than a Marauder all of the time.

To Dzian,

Rebuttal in red text:

because classes are worthless in solo. Incorrect.


a warrior solo's better than a marauder, even after the steel cyclone changes. What are we soloing? What is criteria for "better" in this case? I personally prefer to dispatch enemies efficiently with little to no downtime in between fights on leves in order to get the maximum bonus. Classes have always been better in this regard when soloing leves.
a cnj solo's better than a whm, (regen your self and just nuke like crazy) You said CNJ here. Regen is nice. Not having to wait for Stone or Aero combo cooldowns is better for efficienct guildleve soloing.
a brd solo's better than an arc. (people disagree here but while invigorate keen flurry blood for blood etc may boost your spike damage they cannot keep up with the tp skill spam offered by paeon of war over time. Your only "over time" argument. Still doesn't fit with your above claim that "...classes are worthless solo"
pld solos better than gla,Absolutely incorrect. theres very little in the way of skills you can set that will make up for losing sw damage and dv's mitigation. even more so if you blood for blood your sw gives you a chunk of hp backInvigorate is great for these instances. PLD can't Invigorate nor can it Second Wind, lessening downtime between fights without having to wait for MP.
a blm can solo better than a thm convert is really nice and sleepga is a life saver for aggro,I'm not prone to personal attacks but this claim is incredibly ignorant and really makes me wonder if you've ever played a class solo. BLM can't Stoneskin. BLM can't Protect. BLM can't use Rampart. BLM is a glass cannon.

I don't understand in which contexts you are referring to when jobs are outperforming classes solo. The only instance where your examples ring true would be in a one v one fight versus an underleveled monster spanning a time from the beginning of one fight to the end of the same fight.

Your examples prove false in...

Efficient guildleve completion
Soloing tougher mobs outside of your level range
Minimizing downtime between congruently leveled farming targets.

I suggest you experiment with classes a little more.

Forgive me i ment to say that Classes should be able to solo and lowman party more on their own merits and Jobs should be able to perform their roles in a Party more on their own merits. I also agree that they could just simply reduce the level of chameleon specifically when it comes to that issue though i wonder how much it would effect party balance at the lower levels. Atleast in a balanced game where you could take hate from the tank in dungeon etc etc being able to lower hate at lower levels would effect damage output and other things. So they may have to make changes to other things as well in doing that.

I see where you're going in that case. I still see my character as one person, not several different people contained inside of one person. I think that is primarily where we differ.

I understand not being able to use certain abilities that my character already knows when he's performing a role in a group. I don't understand why he's unable to call on his well rounded experiences as an adventurer when he's on his own.

I personally feel that the system has overly adapted to fit jobs into it not the other way around so that is why I take the stance that I do. I've already begrudgingly accepted the changes already made. To further upset that balance would dishearten me even further. If anything I think they should further delineate the two systems to make them more effective in their given contexts. BLM needs some attention on the party play side and GLA needs a little more attention on the solo play side of things.