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    Quote Originally Posted by RoxyLalonde View Post
    Guess I will have to be a bit more serious about my explanation. Seeing as it's now under scrutinization.
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    A tonberry playable race would be a serious detriment to the current and proposed future state of immersion into the game. Tonberry's have always been a minimally verbal race if not completely non verbal in some games. They have almost always been an antagonist to all living things as well. Seeing as they simply hunt people down and kill them.
    13-2 allows you to capture monsters and convert them to your side but they are converted there is no inherent urge in the tonberry's created nature to want to assist people. Tonberry's main action and goal seems to be to stab things and watch them die while moving incredibly slow. Thusly in FFXIV the tonberry would require a transformation into a human like creature, because they are removing non-humanoid features from the races. It would also require some lore to turn it INTO this humanoid creature... but not only that it would also by virtue require this method to give them enough time to build a city and society with basic principles and development of battle arts and magic either through cultural diffusion from the primary 5 races or by self discovery. After that, it would require the tonberry(humanoid) race to then develop and foster relations with said primary 5 races as to allow them to freely live breathe and have equal rights in these races cities, while not negating the fact that the 5 races are also highly bigoted and racist against anything besides cat girls (who do in their defense have high verbal skills as well as mostly humanoid forms) As seen in the case of the beastmen tribes, Moogle's Sylphs Amal Ixal Cobal all are fairly verbal but lack distinctly humanoid features to the taste of Eorzean's. So much so that they aren't even considered to be worthy of burial or mercy.
    Thusly the implementation of a tonberry race would be highly difficult and they would be an undercast and mistreated segment of the Eorzean population that would be trash to them.
    Thusly, if tonberry's suddenly popped up it would annoy everyone due to the fact it would break highly from the common characteristics this game has been appreciated for.
    That is why, I said they would do well as a summon, or a lesser beastman tribe (like the sylphs or moogles who aren't hated but still treated with odd regard.) I hope you enjoy my elaboration on my statement since you seemed to be requesting clarification.
    Chocobo Black Mages, they have no verbal understandable language, yet they are you ally and can cast spells. So Why couldn't I be a tonberry if I wanted to be?

    As far as beastmen go, you have the mixture of good and evil. Hence why you see some beastmen in the city. So why can't there be good tonberries?

    Why would you need to make them more humanoid, you clearly see what jobs the moogles are by the hats they wear. It would just be full sets of armor instead of a helmet. Hell you could just make it helmets from tonberry and the armor would always be the signature cloaks, I wouldn't care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki View Post
    Chocobo Black Mages, they have no verbal understandable language, yet they are you ally and can cast spells. So Why couldn't I be a tonberry if I wanted to be?
    His point was that players talk, which sort of conflicts with Tonberrys being a perpetually silent creature. Chocobos aren't player controlled (at least not in the sense that it's supposed to be "you") so it doesn't really apply here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inaaca View Post
    His point was that players talk, which sort of conflicts with Tonberrys being a perpetually silent creature. Chocobos aren't player controlled (at least not in the sense that it's supposed to be "you") so it doesn't really apply here.
    Chocobos have been controlable characters though, Final Fantasy Tatics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki View Post
    Chocobos have been controlable characters though, Final Fantasy Tatics.
    You're missing the point. It isn't about whether or not something it's controllable, it's about whether or not it's capable of speaking.

    Controlling a chocobo in a single player game is irrelevant. The chocobo won't speak, and as a player in a single player game there are no other players to talk to.

    This dynamic changes in an MMO. Whatever you're controlling that represents you as a player will be seen as the one talking whenever you type something in the chat log. Chocobos are pets in FFXIV, and they don't represent the player speaking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inaaca View Post
    You're missing the point. It isn't about whether or not something it's controllable, it's about whether or not it's capable of speaking.

    Controlling a chocobo in a single player game is irrelevant. The chocobo won't speak, and as a player in a single player game there are no other players to talk to.

    This dynamic changes in an MMO. Whatever you're controlling that represents you as a player will be seen as the one talking whenever you type something in the chat log. Chocobos are pets in FFXIV, and they don't represent the player speaking.
    chocobos talk >.>

    Kweeeeeh!! means the treasure is pretty close.
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