SE stop doing the "norm"

[ShinigamiKayla]

XI -did- have alot of throwaway quests, but you werent expected to do them for xp. personally, i want these xp dummy quests to have throwaway storylines so i dont have to do every single quest in the game to understand whats going on when all of the story related stuff should be in story missions. and lets face it.. who here has played a quest-driven game and sat down and did them one at a time reading every single thing they said. it probably took a loonnnnnng time to get anywhere.

and ive said it before, nothing will be more of a turn off than:

hey didya hear what happened 5 years ago? no? well go kill 10 sheep and bring me their left ear!
oh cool.. so what happened was that something BAD happened.... if you wanna know more details.. go kill more sheep.

thats ragequit material right there, and pretty much what every MMO is doing right now. now little throwaway quests where the farmer's daughter got sodomized by sheep, and he wants me to go get revenge.. awesome, i'll be right back.

edit:
it reminds me of kingdom hearts.. story: Riku is getting away! after him!.... but first, lets go help jack sparrow get his ship back.. wait.. what?

1. I'm a veteran of many MMOs including FFXI and WoW which I have both played forever and was experienced end game in both... and currently play WOW FFXIV and TSW... and I have done every single quest in Warcraft twice getting loremaster on both chars back before they made it easy... I did 80% of the quests in FFXI... FFXIV I have done quests for the achievements... TSW all the quests are story driven ofcourse got them down... I sit there and read the story for every quest maybe its my ADHD but I enjoy the freaking story o.o

2. Kingdom hearts sucks I hope when we get transported to 2.0 you get left behind and get crushed by Dalamud... (I'm trade marking that phrase...)

[Hanabira]

2. Kingdom hearts sucks I hope when we get transported to 2.0 you get left behind and get crushed by Dalamud... (I'm trade marking that phrase...)

By being a current player of WoW, you submit yourself to a fate worse than being crushed by a moon

[Velhart]

By being a current player of WoW, you submit yourself to a fate worse than being crushed by a moon

[ShinigamiKayla]

By being a current player of WoW, you submit yourself to a fate worse than being crushed by a moon

why because I don't play FFXI anymore and cry how FFXIV is not like FFXI and welcome new ideas into a community? ... yup I'm sentenced to death by being open minded!~ its how the world works~ I love how you bend over and expect everyone to wipe your bum just because you don't play WoW and hate it just for the sake of hating o.o/ stop pissing in everyone's cake already...

[Ingolf]

2. Kingdom hearts sucks I hope when we get transported to 2.0 you get left behind and get crushed by Dalamud... (I'm trade marking that phrase...)

I'm sentenced to death by being open minded!~ its how the world works~ I love how you bend over and expect everyone to wipe your bum just because you don't play WoW and hate it just for the sake of hating o.o/ stop pissing in everyone's cake already...

lawdy lawd.

[Kiote]

By being a current player of WoW, you submit yourself to a fate worse than being crushed by a moon

Funny, I heard WoW: Kung Fu Panda Edition was actually the best expansion they have made yet. I mean, don't get me wrong, I think the game sucks, but, y'know, one mans trash and such..

[TomCarroll]

Funny, I heard WoW: Kung Fu Panda Edition was actually the best expansion they have made yet. I mean, don't get me wrong, I think the game sucks, but, y'know, one mans trash and such..

I didn't enjoy the beta, mostly because I found the new talent system terribly watered-down. "Best" expansion is certainly subjective; most people would say that BC was probably the best.

Also, "I think the game sucks" is the standard go-to for all the people who thought XI was the best thing out there, and who hated WoW even though they'd never played it.

[Kiote]

Also, "I think the game sucks" is the standard go-to for all the people who thought XI was the best thing out there, and who hated WoW even though they'd never played it.

Everyone has played WoW. I know very few people who would say XI was the best thing out there. It had great features that other MMOs should implement. WoW had great features other MMOs should implemented too.

I think it's pretty safe to say, the MMO community as a whole is sick of Clones. Yes, a lot of people still play WoW, but no bodies wants a new WoW. That's why every WoW clone to date has failed almost as badly as FFXIV.

We need new UIs.
We need new progression systems.
We need new content types .
We need new reward systems.

But we can't throw out the baby with the Bathwater.

You can't just copy WoWs quest based leveling, UI, and Trait Trees slap on a new story and expect a success. FFXI's purist Group Combat system is well beyond accepted as dead. What we need is the best systems(Achievements, MultiClass, Simple Intuitive UIs) of the current Gen, the dedication(Real Raids, Real Penalties, Real Rewards that don't become instantly obsolete) of the Past Gen, innovative new ideas(Controller UI) and something new that no one is expecting. That is what it is going to take to be the Next big thing.

The MMO world is desperate for something Original and Scared of something different. It's a scary time for this Genre, especially for the Studios making the games.

[Velhart]

Everyone has played WoW. I know very few people who would say XI was the best thing out there. It had great features that other MMOs should implement. WoW had great features other MMOs should implemented too.

I think it's pretty safe to say, the MMO community as a whole is sick of Clones. Yes, a lot of people still play WoW, but no bodies wants a new WoW. That's why every WoW clone to date has failed almost as badly as FFXIV.

We need new UIs.
We need new progression systems.
We need new content types .
We need new reward systems.

But we can't throw out the baby with the Bathwater.

You can't just copy WoWs quest based leveling, UI, and Trait Trees slap on a new story and expect a success. FFXI's purist Group Combat system is well beyond accepted as dead. What we need is the best systems(Achievements, MultiClass, Simple Intuitive UIs) of the current Gen, the dedication(Real Raids, Real Penalties, Real Rewards that don't become instantly obsolete) of the Past Gen, innovative new ideas(Controller UI) and something new that no one is expecting. That is what it is going to take to be the Next big thing.

The MMO world is desperate for something Original and Scared of something different. It's a scary time for this Genre, especially for the Studios making the games.

I have come to the conclusion that people will never understand the MMO genre as a whole. I explained it a few times, Yoshida explained it a few times, but understanding isn't exactly happening here in this community.

Also, since games don't have the numbers WoW does, doesn't make them failures. Right now FFXI, RIFT, AION, TERA, Guild Wars 2, Everquest 2, Lord of the Rings Online, and so on are still doing very well for themselves. You do not need WoW's numbers to be successful, at this point it is nearly impossible for other MMO's to reach WoW's success. There are so many options for MMO's nowadays it is spread out.

While not the first MMO, Blizzard was definitely there at the right place at the right time, when online gaming was getting bigger and the Warcraft name itself (Which was also one of the most popular PC games before the MMO version.), it was screaming numbers, which it did. With Warcraft, you were already appealing to a mature PC audience (at the time), and a lot were willing to pay 14.99 a month to have this experience.

And actually, I am looking forward to 2.0 mostly because it falls under the success of other MMO's with a Final Fantasy theme. @#$# me, right?

Also like to mention your unique aspects you request for were all given in the current version.

-Had its own unique clunky AI.
-Progressed in EXP/SP by smacking enemies and hopefully it gave you SP for it. Not to mention a physical level system.
-We had guildleves as a form of content.
-And you know reward system is unique, but god awful.

Unique doesn't always work out when you use it too much. I always believe the best approach to "any" genre is to reel you in with a sense of familiarity, then throw something unique at you.

FPS's - You always want that feeling and setup when you play an FPS. Bioshock is a perfect example. It gave you basic FPS concepts but brought neat concepts along with it, not to mention an incredible story and environment around you.

RPG's - Since the days of Dragon Quest, almost all RPG's have fallen under it's template, even Final Fantasy based itself off the Dragon Quest series. Can we call all turn based RPG's a clone of Dragon Quest? No. Why? Because Dragon Quest set the genre standard. Final Fantasy IV is a perfect example here. It was able to take those basic RPG concepts and templates that go back to the DQ age, and brought a unique function to it which became revolutionary, the Active Time Battle system. FFIV was able to revolutionize RPG gaming within what you call a clone of the genre.

So let me ask, why is FFXIV or other MMO's not capable of this feat? They are. FFXIV isn't using the MMO genre template to be thoughtless. No, they use it because they know it is a genre standard. What I know they are aiming to do is to create a unique system or experience within itself. Its like RE4, it took the standardized formula of a rotationg character based game and created the over the shoulder system that completely revolutionized 3rd person shooters in the industry.

I just really wish people knew how gaming genres worked.

[bobbygunz]

I have come to the conclusion that people will never understand the MMO genre as a whole. I explained it a few times, Yoshida explained it a few times, but understanding isn't exactly happening here in this community.

MMO is not really a genre. It's more like a platform.

MMOJRPG could be considered a genre, I guess. Or "MMOFPS" or "Sandbox MMO" or "Themepark MMO". But MMO on its own doesn't describe much in the way of the demographics playing the games nor the types of games possible under the banner of "MMO". And I think many developers - Yoshi especially - have fallen prey to the idea that MMOs are supposed to all be the same.