[Suggestion] Fashion/Vanity Slots.

[NoctisUmbra]

The point of a vanity system is to have more freedom over your appearance. If your appearance can be toggled off by others, the vanity system is pointless. One can change their appearance for themselves with .dat swaps or probably some add-on for ARR if they wanted to. That's not the point, and it doesn't necessarily have to be considered selfish.

However, the vanity system with pure freedom works better on some MMOs that are heavily about their social side, not one where there's an existing theme. So seeing people in event gear doing endgame content would be incredibly silly as a regular thing. Seeing people in shirts that look good but dont have nice stats on the other hand is perfectly fine.

So, yes to restrictions on vanity slots. No to toggle.

[Elexia]

The point of a vanity system is to have more freedom over your appearance.

You will still have this freedom, just people who choose to toggle it won't see it. How does that affect you or your gameplay?

[Jynx]

The toggle appeases your desires as well, I don't see how having the option is stuck up. If you don't like having the option to turn it off then don't turn it off, why would other people turning it off ruins your "fun"?

I assume some people feel a vanity system is pointless if they can't force everyone to look at them running around in Bikinis.

Personally I'm all for a toggle and job restrictions to stay even with vanity items.

[NoctisUmbra]

You will still have this freedom, just people who choose to toggle it won't see it. How does that affect you or your gameplay?

I assume some people feel a vanity system is pointless if they can't force everyone to look at them running around in Bikinis.

Personally I'm all for a toggle and job restrictions to stay even with vanity items.

It's a very simple notion really. The point of the vanity system is control over how you appear to others. The name implies it all. Vanity. If people have any control over how they see you by default, then the system is fundamentally flawed and pointless.

Most of the valid arguments, if not all, against vanity is regarding people wearing silly crap that will destroy the feel of the game, such as event gear or gear they can't normally equip. If they make it so vanity slots work the same as regular slots in terms of what you can equip, and make it so event items cannot be placed in vanity slots then there's no problem here. So no bikinis and reindeers in actual content. If people wanna rock the seasonal gear, they already can as town gear. FFXIV is not a game where you go dressed as a reindeer to fight Odin. I'm sorry, that should never be possible as a viable strat in this game, unless it's some low-stat challenge.

Oh, in before someone tries to counter with not being able to see if people are properly geared right away. Check them. Done. That's the most desperate argument in this thread really. It's much more selfish than the "people should see me the way I chose to look" argument on the anti-toggle side.

[Soukyuu]

It's actually none of your business how you look on other peoples screen.

I am paying for the character, so yes, it is. Disabling the system is, quoting you, just as imposing as me not wanting you to disable it.

Basically, it's a stalemate; What do you do against it? Stop arguing. Which I am going to do starting with this post.

[Elexia]

I am paying for the character, so yes, it is. Disabling the system is, quoting you, just as imposing as me not wanting you to disable it..

What you don't seem to realize is, toggle or not you can still edit textures (even though you're not supposed to) so all in all you really can't say its imposing on you in the same manner of trying to take away someone else options lol. One is basically stating:

"I'm making my character how I look and I'm forcing you to look at it."

The other:

"Do what you want, but allow me to toggle off vanity slots so on my side I don't see what you're wearing vanity wise."

Meanwhile the former is stating:

"Nope. No. Nope. You can no has, that ruins my gameplay experience if you toggle it off. No toggle for you."

The latter:

"How? You can still play dress up to your hearts content. If i wanted I'd just .dat edit certain outfits in the end."

If you look at any MMORPG..there's people who have done so many texture edits that having an in-game toggle would be no different, you wouldn't know any better unless they say it or you view one of their videos/screenshots.

[Rubyxiii]

I am paying for the character, so yes, it is. Disabling the system is, quoting you, just as imposing as me not wanting you to disable it.

Basically, it's a stalemate; What do you do against it? Stop arguing. Which I am going to do starting with this post.

Reread my post if you still think paying your subsription fee is a valid argument.

[NoctisUmbra]

Dat swapping is in no way commonly done and is not something to promote either. It's never comparable to in-game default options.

[Elexia]

Dat swapping is in no way commonly done and is not something to promote either. It's never comparable to in-game default options.

Did you ever play FFXI? lol. Due to the limitations of the system people made so many amazing armor dats that was widely used that even SE adopted for one of their armor designs in CoP.

Also, in a lot of MMOs people edit textures for various reasons, usually to create an "HD patch", which is the most common next to an adult themed patch. It is comparable because it's something that's purely client side that another player cannot see, not even in the same manner as MH/Head display on/off, this option only affects the client that turns it off, it doesn't affect another player.

For a community that says you shouldn't force things on people...seems like a lot are ready to force what they want on someone no problem.

[moriandrio]

For a community that says you shouldn't force things on people...seems like a lot are ready to force what they want on someone no problem.

They just don't want that things get forced on them, as soon its about someone else its fine...