SE stop doing the "norm"

[Ingolf]

Yeah I played a Slayer till lvl 30 in Tera, the combat is boring and repetitive sicne lvl 6, didin't think it could get any better any time soon. It's like they wanted to have the Demon's/Dark Souls combat but "streamlined" for bigger crowds. The rest of the game plays exactly like Everquest, WoW and a ton of others, and that why it fails. Just like I said a minor change in combat is just a gimmick.

Aion is even a more lookalike, the gimmick there were the wings and the two-way specialization for the classes.

I do not need to look hard to find they are the same game with different minor gimmicks.

Well clearly you haven't played it enough because TERA's combat is very different from wow's. You should really read the tropes I provided earlier. TERA failed for an entirely different reason, not because it's a wow clone. With your loose set of prerequisites you could call anything a wow clone.

IT HAS A SWORD?!?!?! WOW CLONE WOULD NOT BUY 0/10

[Rokien]

The best part is that I know you're being serious when you say this. This thread is complaining about why FFXIV isn't the most innovative shit ever, but here you are.

Praising RE6.
and Dragon's Dogma.
and Capcom in general.

I just can't stop laughing.

I'm going way off topic here

What's wrong with RE6?
What's wrong with Dragons Dogman(seriously)

[Ingolf]

I'm going way off topic here

What's wrong with RE6?
What's wrong with Dragons Dogman(seriously)

Everything, literally.

[Lirion]

I'm going way off topic here

What's wrong with RE6?
What's wrong with Dragons Dogman(seriously)

Giant Bomb pretty much sums it up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyeBRd6BIB4

[Dannythm]

Well clearly you haven't played it enough because TERA's combat is very different from wow's. You should really read the tropes I provided earlier. TERA failed for an entirely different reason, not because it's a wow clone. With your loose set of prerequisites you could call anything a wow clone.

IT HAS A SWORD?!?!?! WOW CLONE WOULD NOT BUY 0/10

Combat does not make a game. I have friends that played it until lvl 60 and left for the same reasons I did at lvl 30. The combat it's different yes, but the overall game isn't, and quoting TV tropes is a way to show that you cannot make up your own arguments. If you actually read my posts you'd see I'm not calling them wow clones, but everquest clones with gimmicks. Tera combat is a gimmick, it don't make the game a whole different experience from any of the other games made using the same formula, once you get the knack of the combat or gimmick you just play the same game as before over and over again.

I'm in awe that in this forums people chose to defend other games before defending FFXIV and what it stood and stands for.

[Ingolf]

Combat does not make a game. I have friends that played it until lvl 60 and left for the same reasons I did at lvl 30. The combat it's different yes, but the overall game isn't, and quoting TV tropes is a way to show that you cannot make up your own arguments. If you actually read my posts you'd see I'm not calling them wow clones, but everquest clones with gimmicks. Tera combat is a gimmick, it don't make the game a whole different experience from any of the other games makes using the same formula, once you get the knack of the combat or gimmick you just play the same game as before over and over again.

I'm in awe that in this forums people chose to defend other games before defending FFXIV and what it stood and stands for.

Well they're not clones at all though, that's the entire point. And yeah, quoting another website with your exact argument pre-made is ok with me. In fact it just shows how common your fallacious point of view is. If you look into anything with that mindset then everything is a clone. The term clone itself is incorrect as each of those games is significantly different.

Similarities does not a clone make.

And I'm not defending XIV because it doesn't deserve to be defended. 1.0 was terrible, buggy and several steps back from the accepted quality of MMO's today.

2.0's questing system is pretty much the only thing that's similar to wow (we haven't even seen that much, so I don't know why people are jumping to conclusions.)

[Elexia]

WoW is an anomaly, not a standard. People should stop acting as if other games should be able to achieve similar results since that's not possible.

You're incorrect. It's DEVELOPERS that need to stop thinking this.

[AntonyB]

Not sure why people keep spewing up clone, there is only so many things that you can do really...

Level up, kill mobs, do dungeons, kill NMs, do quests, story etc etc.

Yes everything is similar because this is an MMORPG, it's like saying every FPS every is a clone of -insert 1st ever FPS here- (Probs a bad example but you get the point). They are similar because you need to have these aspects in a MMORPG, if you think these aspects make every MMO a WoW clone then just lol at you. Would like to see you play an MMO with all these said points removed, because it wouldn't be very fun at all..

[Darkillumina]

I'm a logical guy. I don't fall for fan-service or any of that garbage. I don't want another Wow Clone. If I wanted a Wow style game I'd go play WoW. If the game is good, well thought out and innovative I'll stick around. If it isn't I'll throw in the towel and move on.

All the market researchers and various companies fail to realize one thing. Yes, WoW is successful, but the people who like that style are more than likely.........playing WoW. Trying to replicate its success will net you a good user-base for about 6 months then drastically drop off. There is myriad evidence to support this. Why play a cheap-knock off when you can play the original?

I don't want XI in HD. I want a fun innovative game that takes the best of that which came before it along with new innovations to create something unique.

[Lirion]

Well they're not clones at all though, that's the entire point. And yeah, quoting another website with your exact argument pre-made is ok with me. In fact it just shows how common your fallacious point of view is. If you look into anything with that mindset then everything is a clone. The term clone itself is incorrect as each of those games is significantly different.

Similarities does not a clone make.

And I'm not defending XIV because it doesn't deserve to be defended. 1.0 was terrible, buggy and several steps back from the accepted quality of MMO's today.

2.0's questing system is pretty much the only thing that's similar to wow (we haven't even seen that much, so I don't know why people are jumping to conclusions.)

Didn't you get the memo? Having a standard MMO UI for mouse and keyboard is a WoW clone, having jump is a WoW clone, having faster animation is a WoW clone, having solo content is a WoW clone. Damn the stuff that are unique to FF like primals, chocobos, moogles and things like Crystal Tower from FF3. We have jump and solo content! That's unacceptable! It's a WoW clone!

/sarcasm