What 1.0 and Tanaka did good

[Dannythm]

Now in retrospective, I think Square and Tanaka were victims of their own game hype, because before launch, everyone was talking about how good was going to be and how FFXIV was going to change MMO's forever and praising the balls of SE for backing such a project.

But then they didn't listen to the beta testers and rushes the unfinished game just before WoW launched Cataclysm... The initial version needed 1 year or more of work, the we could have experienced Tanaka's vision as we should have.

I just hope that some of his great ideas and concepts are still on the board and just waiting to have a solid base of happy players in 2.0 to start adding them again.

[Maxthunder]

just stopped reading here. its just ignorant and not true.

look at the thousand points that are implemented with 2.0. and have been what ff players were looking for.


now people come along and say tanaka did so much better? I'd say these are the people who enjoy the grind back then etc. pp.. its true that ARR will have much much more final fantasy feeling than XIV 1.0. and even FFXI ever had.

the ff online franchise till then lacked a lot of typical final fantasy stuff. a chocobo companion with a gambit system, limit break and stuff.. thats not WoW'ish to me.

bringing up the gameplay to modern mmORPGS does not make it a clone of something. FFXIV 1.0. was HORRIBLE to play, and had nothing to offer than grind. you forgot what the release version was about.
and you havent seen any of FFXIV 2.0. just the starter areas and the basics..

you cant just look at the basics and starter areas and say this is a wow clone, just because of the fact that it has quests now in it.. you are not open for the ff online franchise to change.

thats it. and nothin more. its not about standing in one place and grind one mob after an other for hours like in FF11..

It is completely true Yoshi and the CEO continue to under-estimate the players base. What Yoshi and the CEO are trying to do is make a fast buck nothing more nothing less. The fact is they dont care about you its about money so they are just giving players anything they ask for at this point. Its all smoke and mirrors but yet a majority of the players are blinded and belive otherwise. The current change is for the worst in the long run. I have said it before and Ill say it again under Yoshi's leadership I give XIV 1 year and thats it. The fact remains that the CEO of SE screwed up and Tanaka took the blame, because they didnt give Tanaka the tools or time to complete XIV. All in all they decided to bring in a lead that dosent even know much or play much of the companies own FF series, and thats plain stupid. This is my opinion I dont care if you agree or not, as you are entitled to your opinions so am I. Tanaka had a vision, if he would have been allowed to finish it, but Yoshi has no vision. With Yoshi its just fan-service and a chance to try and make a name for himself.

[strallaalaa]

It is completely true Yoshi and the CEO continue to under-estimate the players base. What Yoshi and the CEO are trying to do is make a fast buck nothing more nothing less. The fact is they dont care about you its about money so they are just giving players anything they ask for at this point. Its all smoke and mirrors but yet a majority of the players are blinded and belive otherwise. The current change is for the worst in the long run. I have said it before and Ill say it again under Yoshi's leadership I give XIV 1 year and thats it. The fact remains that the CEO of SE screwed up and Tanaka took the blame, because they didnt give Tanaka the tools or time to complete XIV. All in all they decided to bring in a lead that dosent even know much or play much of the companies own FF series, and thats plain stupid. This is my opinion I dont care if you agree or not, as you are entitled to your opinions so am I. Tanaka had a vision, if he would have been allowed to finish it, but Yoshi has no vision. With Yoshi its just fan-service and a chance to try and make a name for himself.

totally this right here, read my mind all the way. can try and deny it all you want, white knight it or whatever but this is the cold dead truth ...in my opinion lol. and for sure 1 year from now we will all look back and be like yep. and if they keep making mmo's like this ...they will keep failing. they can keep trying to give us less at launches, half broken games, they can keep trying to make them for casual or mainstream. you can call it new gen mmo's...just call it a failed game cause it's not a mmo no more and it will not succeed simple as that. can't wait to finally see a mmo that really truly succeeds again and what type it will be.

[KiriA500]

The fact is they dont care about you its about money so they are just giving players anything they ask for at this point.

LOL! You just described every company ever.

Peter Molyneux had visions too, and look at how all his games turned out.

[Tonkra]

too many pessimists in here.. i got an headache i think ;XD

Tanakas vision was awful in my opinion. NOTHING ever could rescue 1.0. for me and many people.
but of course, the ones who are fine with 1.0. are still here in these forums.

the ones who disliked 1.0. (for a reason! and thats not just the bugs, its the gameplay, the world etc. itself) still left these forums many months ago..
its only about 20-30% player base that is left from release i'd say.

and no thats not because tanakas vision was so great.


(like exp fatigue system (most stupid invention to keep the people playing for longer and investing more money), old fashioned awful gameplay, no content at all, flat areas, no highlights, no entertainment at all, less final fantasy in it)


and i mean how stupid for example are these great "visions" like the minigame within the storyline where you had to discuss the enemy till death (eat the poisoned rice ball)... this should be a VISION? ;XD thats a total mass. the companion who does not fight alongside with you, he is just a marionette
tanaka seemed not to play games at all or somethin... yoshida in contrast is a player from head to toe, and knows what makes fun. he is one of us.


thats my opinion to this..

[AntonyB]

Tanaka had ideas, just was poorly implanted. I think the only major thing I really like from the original 1.0 was the armory system, being able to change job on the fly instead of (FFXI) having to go back to MH to change or (WoW/Many Others) having to level a completely new character to level a new class. I'm not going to list what he did wrong/poor like the rest, but there was alot!

I think the step forward to 2.0 is a good one, yes the later updates in v1.0 are good, but it's not bringing many people back into the game, which it needs desperately.

[Soukyuu]

like exp fatigue system

Rested XP is fatigue inversed. Yet no one complains. The system wasn't stupid, it was poorly presented. Like lots of things in 1.0

[KiriA500]

Rested XP is fatigue inversed. Yet no one complains. The system wasn't stupid, it was poorly presented. Like lots of things in 1.0

No it's not. Rested EXP is Guardian's Aspect applied to all classes...which was/is a bonus.

[Felis]

I agree with the many who say the original (Tanaka) version of FFXIV was full of promise but poorly implemented. I think the armoury system was (is) fantastic, and I liked the idea (not the implementation) of physical level vs class rank. But what I miss most of all from Yoshida's changes is the old THM! In fact, I think both THM and CNJ really got messed up by the changes when the job system was introduced. Where THM used to be a light/dark mage with DOTs and debuffs - a highly strategic class - it is now a stripped down 1/2 elemental mage designed to be the natural precursor to BLM. None of the concept of Thaumaturgy has been retained, and it's distinctiveness is completely lost, as no other class had those light/dark, DOT, or debuff abilities. CNJ, similarly, is the other 1/2 elemental mage in a weak nod to its Tanaka-era roots, and also suffers from precursor-to-job syndrome.

I do like the job system, and I think that it is a good direction, going forward, but they didn't have to gut the THM so utterly into a completely unrecognizable pre-BLM nuke machine to do it, did they?

Well, it's a little late to complain now, I guess :P But that's what I miss the most from Tanaka's game.

THM was overpowered. He was a good DD and the best healer and was able to tank Dodore solo. There was no point to level CNJ except for the buffs to use them with the THM.
THM needed a nerf sooner or later anyway.

[Empyrean]

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