[Suggestion] Fashion/Vanity Slots.

[Soukyuu]

I still haven't seen a single intelligent argument against a toggle. Why is this still an argument? I can't imagine a rational person being upset if the vanity feature with toggle was implemented. At this point I'm convinced anyone still arguing is simply trolling.

The idea of the vanity system is to allow people to wear what they want and display it to other people without having to sacrifice stats. Giving a toggle option for someone else's vanity display is negating the basic idea of the system.

It's really ridiculous how people are fixed on the idea vanity will be abused to run around naked/in seasonal gear.

Claiming vanity breaks realism in a fantasy game is not any better either.

[Shougun]

The idea of the vanity system is to allow people to wear what they want and [b]display it to other people[b] without having to sacrifice stats. Giving a toggle option for someone else's vanity display is negating the basic idea of the system.

It's really ridiculous how people are fixed on the idea vanity will be abused to run around naked/in seasonal gear.

Claiming vanity breaks realism in a fantasy game is not any better either.

Its not that just being abused it also is not the gear you are wearing >.>

If you are hitting like a truck with a weathered spatula there is a problem.

You want to wear the gear you want without the repercussions. You want to force us into doing what you want, but you think its stupid that we want to be able to turn it off on JUST our side and let you continue to look the way you do.

You " I want to wear what im not wearing, I want everyone to see it"
Toggle Button " Ok, I dont want to see it - but go ahead for yourself"

I only see one unreasonable expectation here.

This is a fantasy game with a strong connection to realism. That has always been SE thing. Japanese plausible reality. They create almost crazy fantasy world you can escape into because of the seeded realism. Wearing what you are not wearing is not plausible in any idea.

[Zantetsuken]

Some people just dont want to look like every other damn person playing the class/job they play, which is currently what happens when you get end-game gear now, with some color varitions with crafted items. Its the 'cobalt or darklight' look for tanks, its the same blm melded pieces for blm or militia gear, etc etc.

^^^ well, more gear variety will help with that.

With limited gear and vanity system, people will just flock to the most stylish gear for their vanity slots and you have the exact same problem.

Vanity would make assuming materia MUCh harder - right now I see a BLM wearing felt gaskins I'm pretty damn sure he has that baby melded. Otherwise he wouldn't wear it, he would be wearing his AF.

Vanity destroys item expectations. Now I really do have to check you just to see your real gear. Even your vanity gear may be stronger then your equipped gear. I have to study your character now instead of simply glancing.

Its illogical even under a fantasy aspect. "I want to wear the gear I am not wearing". What? No.

If the system is free, people will run around in the silly costumes meant for town fun and use them for combat. If you can kill a boss with seasonal gear right now you are bad freaking ass. With vanity it will happen all the time - be meaningless, and be retarded (from incredible frequency and constant "funny" someone trying to tell a bad joke over and over).

Excellent post~

A vanity slot system destroys the novelty associated with lesser-used gear.

Without a toggle, it renders the visuals of all gear meaningless beyond mere aesthetic.

[Shougun]

^^^ well, more gear variety will help with that.

With limited gear and vanity system, people will just flock to the most stylish gear for their vanity slots and you have the exact same problem.

This is a big point I think. SE is working on other things right now. When they get the opporutnity like in FF11 we will get a lot of gear choices without a vanity system.

So you will assume they have double melded felt gaskins because they are wearing felt gaskins, but will not assume they ware wearing felt gaskins when a robe is completely covering their pants?

Why would I assume a BLM has anything good if they appear to be in full AF.

[Reika]

This is a big point I think. SE is working on other things right now. When they get the opporutnity like in FF11 we will get a lot of gear choices without a vanity system.



Why would I assume a BLM has anything good if they appear to be in full AF.

You would still have to check. you wouldn't know the blm was is full af unless you checked. You cant always see a persons helm, and you cant always see a persons pants. You wont even be able to tell if they are wearing the right belt anymore in ARR, or a belt at all. you wont know what jewlery they have unless you check them either.

BLM could have AF robe, and the best pants in the game, or Best robe in the game, and AF pants. You wouldnt know, unless you checked.

People WILL still check people with or without vanity system or a toggle for it.

[Shougun]

You would still have to check. you wouldn't know the blm was is full af unless you checked. You cant always see a persons helm, and you cant always see a persons pants. You wont even be able to tell if they are wearing the right belt anymore in ARR. you wont know what jewlery they have unless you check them either.

People WILL still check people with or without vanity system or a toggle for it.

Of course there will still be some checking - but I dont want to feel the need to check just because I see AF and now I dont know if that means way worse or way better.

If I see them wearing heavy darklight I dont need to check. And you can do general materia assumptions safely - of course it isnt always going to be the right guess but much more likely then vanity.

Anyway "not having to check equipment" is only one of the few reasons I mentioned.

[Elexia]

^^^ well, more gear variety will help with that.

With limited gear and vanity system, people will just flock to the most stylish gear for their vanity slots and you have the exact same problem.

Exactly. In MMOs even with "endless dye" systems you still have plenty of duplicates because it's what looks nice.

[Raldo]

The idea of the vanity system is to allow people to wear what they want and display it to other people without having to sacrifice stats.

I don't care how people see me, I just want vanity slots so I don't have to see myself as a train wreck without sacrificing stats.

[Teuciont]

The idea of the vanity system is to allow people to wear what they want and display it to other people without having to sacrifice stats. Giving a toggle option for someone else's vanity display is negating the basic idea of the system.

It's really ridiculous how people are fixed on the idea vanity will be abused to run around naked/in seasonal gear.

Claiming vanity breaks realism in a fantasy game is not any better either.

You mean those other people that don't want to see vanity gear in the first place?

[Elexia]

The idea of the vanity system is to allow people to wear what they want and display it to other people without having to sacrifice stats. Giving a toggle option for someone else's vanity display is negating the basic idea of the system..

So in other words, it's ok to to have options but it's not ok to give other people options if it "conflicts"? The idea of the vanity system to wear what they want without stat penality because shit why not, so it shouldn't matter if someone doesn't want to see their vanity gear and should have the option to deal with it.