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  1. #11
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    Eliseus's Avatar
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    Eliseus Kayne
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    Hyperion
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Whether or not he kept the seal or gave it to his friend you still weren't getting it. You didn't win the roll and he was using the loots rules set by the leader of your party to do whatever he wants with HIS seal. Get over it.
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  2. #12
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    Arkine's Avatar
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    Arkine Vanrien
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    Balmung
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    Gladiator Lv 70
    The loot system in the problem.

    It can give loot to people that can't even use it but decide to keep it and screw others and it can allow people to completely tip the scale in someone's favor by having their friends lot for them.

    I've been on both ends of the spectrum and I'm glad its going to change in ARR.
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  3. #13
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    Shougun's Avatar
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    Wubrant Drakesbane
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    Balmung
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    Fisher Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Arkine View Post
    The loot system in the problem.

    It can give loot to people that can't even use it but decide to keep it and screw others and it can allow people to completely tip the scale in someone's favor by having their friends lot for them.

    I've been on both ends of the spectrum and I'm glad its going to change in ARR.
    Love it when they sell them to people who need them when they already have their relic weapons.
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  4. #14
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    The loot rules is clear, you wished whatever you wants, whatever he does afterwards with the item whether dropping it to floor for giggles or passing it to an RMT is none of your business.
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  5. #15
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    Catapult's Avatar
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    Thal Icebound
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    Ravana
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    Dancer Lv 100
    The alternative would be a drop to inventory (like with primals, eww) or a fundamentally different looting system (2.0).

    On the player-controlling end, I like the following:
    If a seal drops to someone's loot list, they may deal with it however they please. You need it? You can keep it (the RNG already randomed it to you). You don't need it? Pass as you see fit, be it to a needy friend or offering party members to /random. Want to be a jerk? That will probably give you karma.
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  6. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkine View Post
    The loot system in the problem.
    ...and this ends in 3 weeks. I don't even see the point of arguing about what players are doing now.

    /thread.
    (2)
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  7. #17
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    Mamba's Avatar
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    Lily Spider
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    Odin
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Hmm, to be honest I am not sure why ppl say it is moraly wrong... how is it moraly wrong?
    You lost the lot and that really should be the end of discussion, nothing wrong or unethical there.
    (4)
    There is a little Monkey in all of us....

  8. #18
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    Ka'lowe Khelder
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    Excalibur
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    Pugilist Lv 60
    I'm a bit surprised that no one pointed out that in the OP's situation that whatever the others decide to do with their seals it has absolutely no effect on the chance of him getting his seal. If he was in a group where everyone was keeping their seal drops he'd have 1/8 a chance to get a seal. If he was in a group where 7 of the members were all passing their seals to one person, he'd still have 1/8 a chance to get a seal. The situation does not effect HIS chances of getting a seal at all, which sadly means this whole rant is simply bitterness that someone else has a friend trying to help them. =/
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  9. #19
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    Lily Spider
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    Odin
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Crayge View Post
    I'm a bit surprised that no one pointed out that in the OP's situation that whatever the others decide to do with their seals it has absolutely no effect on the chance of him getting his seal. If he was in a group where everyone was keeping their seal drops he'd have 1/8 a chance to get a seal. If he was in a group where 7 of the members were all passing their seals to one person, he'd still have 1/8 a chance to get a seal. The situation does not effect HIS chances of getting a seal at all, which sadly means this whole rant is simply bitterness that someone else has a friend trying to help them. =/
    Exactly what I meant with my post above...
    Sorry you lost your lot OP but sadly that's life.
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    There is a little Monkey in all of us....

  10. #20
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    Majidah Sihaam
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    Balmung
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    Archer Lv 50
    It was his seal, he could do with it as he pleased. If he had two people rolling for him, then he had two people participating in the party. There's nothing wrong with that.
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