If SE is taking away my hard work...

[viion]

It is not very different. SE does monitor its economy as does every company monitors the eoconomy of their own game.

Price fixing might not be "illegal" but that doesn't mean it's easy to get away with. It can only easily happen with extremely rare goods that only a few people cposess and thereby can control. More typical commodities cannot be controlled this way.

Price fixing won't be any more or less of an issue than it is today. Undercutting in fact will prevent any real issues with gouging. This stuff is all a non-issue. The key similarities between this economy and any economy are the very reasons why this is not a big deal and people are blowing itway out of porportion.

because so many things are going to change when 2.0 comes out, all kinds of things will change in the economy as well- it is pointless to even try to predict how people will behave.

SE monitor the economy? I cant laugh hard enough to see how wrong this. They wouldnt have fail Atomos incidents if they did.

Its not pointless to predict, if you think it is, then dont predict it, dont argue, leave the thread, go somewhere else. I want to predict, I like predicting and testing my knowledge and seeing the outcome, its something I enjoy and partake in. If you cant handle that, then that is your problem. I am here to debate my prediction.

Oh don't get me wrong I definitely assume that there will be specific items that gain value, probably significant value. But these gains in value are going to almost entirely come from gameplay mechanics changes, instead of the redenomination of gil. I just don't want people to come in and read your post and liquidate their gil thinking that it's better to have a stockpile of items going into ARR then gil. Because it's not true, and take an extreme risk in doing so, as nobody knows exactly which items are going to be valuable (and this is why SE cautions players as such).

This is very rude because you in turn could be saying "don't come in, its too risky and u should stay poor". People can choose what they want to do, don't say my opinion is false when I have my arguments as to why your argument is false. But I am not saying its false, I am saying its a possibility, a possibility I dont think will happen but an outcome that can occur.

If people cant think for themselves and go "omg a man on the internet said this, we should totally do it" and not think for themselves, that is their problem not mine.

Dont be arrogant to say what I believe is false, wrong and incorrect when I can easily say the same about you.

I am not saying redenomination is to blame, I am saying it creates a window to exploit, those exploited effects will cause drastic illness to the economy that it may not recover from.

[Rizon]

You're right. And it will happen.

But the great thing about that situation is that those people that are willing to pay those outrageous prices will suddenly find they hemorrhaged money much faster than they were able to take back in because redenomination smacked them right upside the head. And they won't realize this until they are broke or close to it which will happen very quickly.

Once those people have no more money to pay outrageous asking prices, guess what happens to those prices? That's right. They inevitably fall since the seller can no longer get what they were originally asking. It is a win/win. Market stabilizes to reasonable prices and idiots with money are parted from it.

you will be correct for about 4-6 months after launch. After that point, if the game is successful, then you will begin to see to an upswing in prices as a result of the large influx of currency into the economy. At that point the people who spent all their time collecting Gil will begin to control the Wards and will drive prices higher.

[Rizon]

The short and the sweet of it is, unless SE plans to take an active part in regulating the economy then you will always have a problem with runaway inflation. The only thing this revaluation does is to delay the start of that process.

[VanillaLatte]

I am not assuming they are set in stone, I assuming they wont have a % increase in 2.0.

if Choker at 8m goes to 4m instead of 800k it has had a 50% increase to its relation of reduction. Your argument would be valid if you said that the 8m choker went UP by 50% in 2.0 to 12m, then it would be considered the same.

If nothing changed and nothing happened, and we went into 2.0 with equality then that be all fine, but we are being reduced, an item is not and has gained value at the % higher than 10. And you assume people will not buy stuff at prices higher than 1/10th of the value, inflation has proven this incorrect, and you dont know if people will or not, just like i dont know if it will reduce or not, so what i am saying is a prediction, if you predict people will not pay anything above 1/10th thats gravy, but it doesn't seem like you're predicting it, more like insisting that will happen as you've not stated you assume or predict the way people act.

First of all, inflation is also part of the supply and demand. It doesn't just happen because it happens. (monies being printed everyday)

If the choker is 8m and goes to 4m instead of 800k when ARR comes, it just means the choker is worth more and more valuable to people in ARR, whether it's because the stats become more valuable because of ARR changes or choker becomes harder to obtain, etc. It will not be caused by the redenomination. (Obviously there will be suckers buying over-priced stuff during the initial ARR release time frame when people are still getting used to the new currency).

On the contrary, choker can well become 100k just because there are items with similar or better stats coming in ARR and easier to obtain.

One thing we're pretty certain about is ARR will not be the same as 1.0, meaning there won't be this equality thing. New recipes will be introduced and existing ones may change, new drops will be introduced in dungeons, more end game content means more variety of items, etc... will be the factors that influence the market prices in ARR.

[viion]

First of all, inflation is also part of the supply and demand. It doesn't just happen because it happens. (monies being printed everyday)

If the choker is 8m and goes to 4m instead of 800k when ARR comes, it just means the choker is worth more and more valuable to people in ARR, whether it's because the stats become more valuable because of ARR changes or choker becomes harder to obtain, etc. It will not be caused by the redenomination. (Obviously there will be suckers buying over-priced stuff during the initial ARR release time frame when people are still getting used to the new currency).

On the contrary, choker can well become 100k just because there are items with similar or better stats coming in ARR and easier to obtain.

One thing we're pretty certain about is ARR will not be the same as 1.0, meaning there won't be this equality thing. New recipes will be introduced and existing ones may change, new drops will be introduced in dungeons, more end game content means more variety of items, etc... will be the factors that influence the market prices in ARR.

Again, not saying caused by Redenomination, redenomination created a window, an opportunity for people to exploit, and I predict they will (Because they've exploited everything in the past,eg EXP AOE, PLing, Primals and Seals, etc).

It could, like you said be the reason that the stats are super delicious and that it became harder to obtain, but many items will not be this case (again my prediction), I do not think Militia choker will be harder or easier, be about the same.

You are completely right it could become 100k because of xyz reason, that would completely prove me wrong if all other items also became 1/40th (or anything higher than 1/10th) their value, it would say my prediction is incorrect, thats ...great? Thats not a bad thing, its good if I am wrong, we will not know until it happens, and you will not change my prediction until it happens and I say "You was right" or "You was wrong".

It does not matter about new items, I am soley basing on current items, new items can go ahead and decrease the price of current items, that will in effect prove my prediction wrong. I do not think there will be enough new items that reduce the global scale of all current items down to 1/10th or less, that is just what I think. I am sorry if you can't accept that I think differently.

You have VERY strong valid points, I understand them, I can see them happening as a possibility, a situation that could play out, but it is not what I think will happen, so please avoid saying I am wrong because I do not believe in what you think will happen.

I guarantee there are hundreds of things we would disagree with, no on is wrong for having their own opinion. (Infact they should and people who come in here and listen to me and panic buy are being silly because they should think for himself)

[Vindrax]

This is very rude because you in turn could be saying "don't come in, its too risky and u should stay poor". People can choose what they want to do, don't say my opinion is false when I have my arguments as to why your argument is false. But I am not saying its false, I am saying its a possibility, a possibility I dont think will happen but an outcome that can occur.

I have no problem with anyone attempting to take advantage of the newly established market once ARR launches, in fact I encourage it. I do however have an issue with people encouraging others to participate in something very risky without CLEARLY outlining those potential risks. And that's what you are doing, feeding people information with laces of truth, without explaining the downsides. Stating "I believe there is no way this bow will sell for 3 million and anticipate up to a 500% increase in sales come ARR". Do you want me to go find your quote where you are waving your opinion as fact?

This is why I asked you for specifics, for all we know that bow could be worthless in ARR, made completely obsolete by a new and easier recipe. ANYTHING could. Here is the only fact that we know with any relative certainty going into ARR:

Gil will continue as the primary currency in ARR and is THE ABSOLUTE SAFEST BET to protect whatever wealth you have going into ARR.

Note that I'm not saying you are wrong. In fact you are almost assuredly right. Certain items/materials will become extremely valuable in ARR and anyone possessing mass quantities of those items will find themselves richer than they are currently. But until you can start quoting specific posts from dev's about upcoming changes in ARR which can help predict what items are going to gain value, your post is "pointless". Really, what is your argument? "Some items are going to be extremely valuable, you should try to make sure you have them". So I ask "What are these items?" "Where is your evidence as to why they are going to be valuable". Until you can start showing me empirical evidence that suggests otherwise, I would ask that you concede the only thing we know with any relative certainty:

Gil will continue as the primary currency in ARR and is THE ABSOLUTE SAFEST BET to protect whatever wealth you have going into ARR.

If you have information from the devs which indicates which materials and items are going to be valuable in ARR, I'd love for you to share them because that would actually be useful to know.

[VanillaLatte]

Again, not saying caused by Redenomination, redenomination created a window, an opportunity for people to exploit, and I predict they will (Because they've exploited everything in the past,eg EXP AOE, PLing, Primals and Seals, etc).

It could, like you said be the reason that the stats are super delicious and that it became harder to obtain, but many items will not be this case (again my prediction), I do not think Militia choker will be harder or easier, be about the same.

You are completely right it could become 100k because of xyz reason, that would completely prove me wrong if all other items also became 1/40th (or anything higher than 1/10th) their value, it would say my prediction is incorrect and high, great? Thats not a bad thing, its good if I am wrong, we will not know until it happens, and you will not change my prediction until it happens when I say "You was right" or "You was wrong".

It does not matter about new items, I am soley basing on current items, new items can go ahead and decrease the price of current items, that will in effect prove my prediction wrong. I do not think there will be enough new items that reduce the global scale of all current items down to 1/10th or less, that is just what I think. I am sorry if you can't accept that I think differently.

You have VERY strong valid points, I understand them, I can see them happening as a possibility, a situation that could play out, but it is not what I think will happen, so please avoid saying I am wrong because I do not believe in what you think will happen.

I guarantee there are hundreds of things we would disagree with, no on is wrong for having their own opinion. (Infact they should and people who come in here and listen to me and panic buy are being silly because they should think for himself)

Since no one knows what will be changed for sure, this is a gamble. While many will be exploiting the new pricing because they bet on the right stuff, many will lose as well because they bet on the wrong things.

This is an opportunity for people who would like to gamble the new economy, I agree. But there is no guarantee. These people can lose a big chunk of their savings as well.

For myself, I will try not to get into this gambling situation so I may not win big, I will not lose big, either. I'll just play the game for what it is (or will be, in ARR).

[viion]

I have no problem with anyone attempting to take advantage of the newly established market once ARR launches, in fact I encourage it. I do however have an issue with people encouraging others to participate in something very risky without CLEARLY outlining those potential risks. And that's what you are doing, feeding people information with laces of truth, without explaining the downsides. Stating "I believe there is no way this bow will sell for 3 million and anticipate up to a 500% increase in sales come ARR". Do you want me to go find your quote where you are waving your opinion as fact?

If people are doing this and not thinking for themselves, that is their problem. I am not going to change who I am or how I speak with the thought that someone thinks I'm Jesus and follows what I do.

Some items are going to be extremely valuable, you should try to make sure you have them

I never once said this, I said that a lot of items will not reduce to 1/10th. I never once told people they should try make sure they go have them, please quote where I said people should go and stock on this because it will not go down, I think you will find that in all my posts, I state predictions of items, I am NOT going to list every item, just pretend I did list every single item in the database, all 7000 of them because this is what I meant.

If you have information from the devs which indicates which materials and items are going to be valuable in ARR, I'd love for you to share them because that would actually be useful to know.

If you have information on all the players in the game that suggests they will not immediately inflate their prices, I'd love for you to share them because that would actually be useful to know. So get cracking and ask everyone, on all servers =)

You ask for evidence yet I have said countless times I am making PREDICTIONS.

You are getting very much denying to listen to me and twist my words into statements of fact solid bets, and this is not the case when every post I state i am making predictions. I can't be bothered to argue with the arrogance.

Since no one knows what will be changed for sure, this is a gamble. While many will be exploiting the new pricing because they bet on the right stuff, many will lose as well because they bet on the wrong things.

This is an opportunity for people who would like to gamble the new economy, I agree. But there is no guarantee. These people can lose a big chunk of their savings as well.

For myself, I will try not to get into this gambling situation so I may not win big, I will not lose big, either. I'll just play the game for what it is (or will be, in ARR).

Show me where I said its a guaranteed, quote me please.

[Vindrax]

You ask for evidence yet I have said countless times I am making PREDICTIONS.

I am saying your "predictions" are pointless. You are saying some items will gain value and you are willing to concede that others will lose value, but you "cannot predict" which is which. I apologize for trying to give you more credit in actually predicting something that matters. I would assume that by stating "A lot of items will not reduce to 1/10th" you would actually be encouraging people to obtain said items, since that would actually make logical sense.

[viion]

I am saying your "predictions" are pointless. You are saying some items will gain value and you are willing to concede that others will lose value, but you "cannot predict" which is which. I apologize for trying to give you more credit in actually predicting something that matters. I would assume that by stating "A lot of items will not reduce to 1/10th" you would actually be encouraging people to obtain said items, since that would actually make logical sense.

Well if you going to call my predictions pointless then we will just end the discussion there. I am not going to try have an adult debate with someone who think it is pointless to predict the future (because no one does that.).

This matters to me, it matters to the OP, it matters to people here, even some against me it matters because they can at least debate, but you're just too arrogant and have to call it pointless, like I am stupid for having an opinion different from you.

So for that, you can keep your opinions on this situation to yourself since you think they are so pointless. (Which is quite sad that you're here on a forum, arguing with me over something you think is pointless, that is a big waste of time for you.)