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    Quote Originally Posted by Zezlar View Post
    Why would they leave the reward to the "ultimate" never again to be played again 1.0 boss in the game for 2.0 players to get? Come on folks, to believe they will be obtainable in ARR is silly.
    I think its silly to assume they will be removed. Just like the people who thought primal weapons were to be removed (To be efficient with resources, its safer to assume SE will recycle as much as possible - though in recycling it may be a different context).

    As Zantetsuken pointed out White Raven is a listed nemesis on the FFXIV page - which unless they are attempting to have a confusing mix of 1.0 and 2.0 information is accurate for 2.0.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    Have you played FF(s)? Bosses dont die, they super power themselves at least 3 times, I count 2 for Nael only.

    He's not dead yet :P
    Well, if you consider the nael hard another form and not just a re-imagined version of the story fight, then he would have died three times by now. Two in the storyline fight and once in hardmode.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryans View Post
    Well, if you consider the nael hard another form and not just a re-imagined version of the story fight, then he would have died three times by now. Two in the storyline fight and once in hardmode.
    Difficulty sliders dont count as renvisions. Everytime SE really brings a boss back they always do some sort of visual feature change. Like the twenty different forms of Seymour from FFX lol.

    Edit: apparently only 4.. :P







    http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/S...antasy_X_Boss)
    http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Seymour_Natus
    http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Seymour_Flux
    http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Seymour_Omnis
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    As Zantetsuken pointed out White Raven is a listed nemesis on the FFXIV page - which unless they are attempting to have a confusing mix of 1.0 and 2.0 information is accurate for 2.0.
    If you read the description of Nael on the 2.0 website it says

    "The White Raven seems a man well-suited to such dark rumors, for it is his pet project, "Meteor," that will herald Eorzea's inevitable plunge into the Seventh Umbral Era..."

    That seems to be that it is written about 1.0 because 2.0 is taking place during the Seventh Umbral Era.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryans View Post
    If you read the description of Nael on the 2.0 website it says

    "The White Raven seems a man well-suited to such dark rumors, for it is his pet project, "Meteor," that will herald Eorzea's inevitable plunge into the Seventh Umbral Era..."

    That seems to be that it is written about 1.0 because 2.0 is taking place during the Seventh Umbral Era.
    Doesnt mean he is finally dead. Also I dont think it to be logical to list someone in a nemsis list if they are never going to play an active role. Sure he caused the meteor to drop (doing a lot of big things) but 2.0 newbs wont care about that as what is , is for them. Unless he is being listed for just us vets, I think its safe to say we will see him again. (Opinion of course)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    I think its silly to assume they will be removed. Just like the people who thought primal weapons were to be removed (To be efficient with resources, its safer to assume SE will recycle as much as possible - though in recycling it may be a different context).

    As Zantetsuken pointed out White Raven is a listed nemesis on the FFXIV page - which unless they are attempting to have a confusing mix of 1.0 and 2.0 information is accurate for 2.0.
    Could just be there for the story purposes. FF above all uses alludes to people or places that no longer exists or has a role in the game beyond story. White Ravens come from Rivenroad Hard which by all rights has no reason to exist in ARR lol.

    So this along with imperial gear more than likely won't exist. People only suggested primal weapons would be gone because you know, everything SE has said regarding these has always been up in the air. "Achievements will be gone for (Primals)", "They'll become free company summons (hence: reward for beating them now)", "the balance won't be the same as 1.0s" and so on. Specifically rewards relating to 7th Umbral Era incoming won't be obtainable and Darnus and the current imperial raids are pretty much that entire plot point.

    Primals are even sprinkled in there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elexia View Post
    Could just be there for the story purposes. FF above all uses alludes to people or places that no longer exists or has a role in the game beyond story. White Ravens come from Rivenroad Hard which by all rights has no reason to exist in ARR lol.

    So this along with imperial gear more than likely won't exist. People only suggested primal weapons would be gone because you know, everything SE has said regarding these has always been up in the air. "Achievements will be gone for (Primals)", "They'll become free company summons (hence: reward for beating them now)", "the balance won't be the same as 1.0s" and so on. Specifically rewards relating to 7th Umbral Era incoming won't be obtainable and Darnus and the current imperial raids are pretty much that entire plot point.

    Primals are even sprinkled in there.
    Yeah I think the White Ravens (item) is at threat by the statement that all 7th Umbra related events (obviously hard mode Raven is) will no longer available in 2.0.

    However its not "impossible" the items to continue through, and specially Raven himself I think. I believe it quite within SE norm to bring him back. Specially since the Omega creature concept art seriously looks like a Hogo science experiment of White Raven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    Doesnt mean he is finally dead. Also I dont think it to be logical to list someone in a nemsis list if they are never going to play an active role. Sure he caused the meteor to drop (doing a lot of big things) but 2.0 newbs wont care about that as what is , is for them. Unless he is being listed for just us vets, I think its safe to say we will see him again. (Opinion of course)
    I don't think leaving out the key character that was driving force behind the storyline up to to present (by present I mean 2.0) would be very logical either. While I've thought Nael was turning into Odin for months, I don't think we can assume he will be in 2.0 just because there is a paragraph written about him on the 2.0 website.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elexia View Post
    If you recall the story, unless they add in some contradictions CN will most likely be abandoned considering it fulfilled it's purpose.
    Idk, CN looks like it was meant to be a permanant installation. Just because it's original purpose has been fullfilled, does not mean that it can't be repurposed for other tasks. Given that Mor Dhona is fairly central, I would assume that it would become a rear line staging area for campaigns against the city-states.
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    I think it's likely NVD will make cameo appearances in 2.0
    In flashbacks, possibly in being revived by some evil faction, etc etc.
    His loot White Raven's shouldn't be coming back though. Though there will definitely be items to replace it.
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