If SE is taking away my hard work...

[Deatheye]

Nore what operations they plan to do to deal with gold sellers, in XIV it was never much of an issue, we seem to think people do not buy, however in XI this was not the case, plenty bought and it was a serious problem.

Someone in this thread wrote something about SE going to make it harder to acquire gil. I'm sure people allready buy gil, there would be no reason for gil farmers to exist without buyers. If they really do make it harder to acquire or implement more sink I wonder if they going to do anything more against the seller, cause in both cases the interest on the buyer side will rise.
Less then 8 USD for a milion is terrible cheap.

[darkstarpoet1]

Someone in this thread wrote something about SE going to make it harder to acquire gil. I'm sure people allready buy gil, there would be no reason for gil farmers to exist without buyers. If they really do make it harder to acquire or implement more sink I wonder if they going to do anything more against the seller, cause in both cases the interest on the buyer side will rise.
Less then 8 USD for a milion is terrible cheap.

it may be harder, but the gil sellers are still going to be making the same profits. right now whatever they sell it for will just be dropped to the same percentage we just dropped. it took nothing from the gil sellers. idk what they sell for, but i'll use your example. if they sell 8usd for 1mil now it'll just become 8usd for 100k. they will still have the exact same value because they dropped the exact same percentage as everyone else.

[viion]

it may be harder, but the gil sellers are still going to be making the same profits. right now whatever they sell it for will just be dropped to the same percentage we just dropped. it took nothing from the gil sellers. idk what they sell for, but i'll use your example. if they sell 8usd for 1mil now it'll just become 8usd for 100k. they will still have the exact same value because they dropped the exact same percentage as everyone else.

That will be interesting to find out, I personally dont think they will sell 100k for 8USD, I just dont have faith RMT will be "fair" like that. Especially if new players and this whole situation causes more demand from buyers.

Earning and losing gil by gil sink should remain the same as their are now.

If a current guildleve gives 10,000 gil as a reward, it'll give 1,000 gil as a reward in A Realm Reborn. If an item is bought from an NPC vendor for 10,000 gil, it'll be bought for 1,000 gil in A Realm Reborn.

As for gil sinks, we currently have 5,000 gil airship rides for a level 50 player, which will drop to 500 gil in A Realm Reborn. Just like NPC vendor items, such as a 15,000 gil weapon being sold for 1,500 gil. The 1/10 ratio applied to all this stuff means we aren't losing any gil.

The AH/TP thing is still player driven, so that's not a Square-Enix problem. We currently have a tax on the Market Wards items, which is a huge sink, but that's just a % of the sold item. If we get an Auction House similar to Final Fantasy XI, all it does is remove the tax when you place the item up for sale instead of taking it out of the amount you sold it for. It's the same.

As for the Atamos exploit, the only reason that was such a problem was because it was from an event where you got the items for spamming the same mob as everybody else, therefore you could do nothing and still be rewarded. The items you bought with the company seals had a high value to an NPC, so everyone spammed it. People did the same thing in Final Fantasy XI with Remedies for a while, but it was only profitable if you were the alchemist making the items that you farmed yourself. The price of those was altered because a fight came along that handed those out as a reward. Square-Enix just needs to realize that if you hand out stuff for free, people are going to exploit it if it's profitable to them.

Very true that people do exploit these advantages, and they drive up the economy big, those who did not exploit are being affected by it, its not nice really but thats tough to deal with.

Also, Atamos had nothing to do with guildeves or quests, it was vendor prices, and look how tiny the price was and how it made people have multi-millions in such a short period of time. You could see an item at 1k now and in ARR be vendored for 100g, what happens when an exploit or a "unforeseen" situation occurs in that people are able to make millions upon millions from that 100g item. Its something they need really try avoid. (This happened massively at GW2 launch with Karma and caused suspension!).

The gil sinks you mentioned do not effected me, only the AH one, which is very little to the amount I earn, because i "recuperate" it immediately, where as airship, or choco or repair i'd loose it with no return immediately. Those 3 things are irrelevant sinks to me and I imagine many many others as they do not use those services.

[darkstarpoet1]

That will be interesting to find out, I personally dont think they will sell 100k for 8USD, I just dont have faith RMT will be "fair" like that. Especially if new players and this whole situation causes more demand from buyers.

oh i'm not giving a real usd amount because i have no clue of what they are selling for now. what i am saying is that people keep saying the rmt lost a ton of gil. that's just not the case because they will either increase their selling price by 10 for the same amount as previous or give you 1/10th of the previous amount for the same value. he stated an amount of 8-per-mil now is why i used the 8-per-hundredk, but could be just as easily 80-per-mil.

edit: now on the demand changing you could be correct there. if the demand for their "services" are increased the value to them will increase.