If SE is taking away my hard work...

[whoopeeragon]

"But there's no sense crying over every mistake, you just keep on trying til you run out of cake...~"

[viion]

999 = 99. You don't lose anything, the economy will adjust properly after a short time of inflation. They made the value of gil higher and reduced the bigger number to smaller. I know you Spring and know how frustrating it can be but look at the facts the whole economy as a whole is dropping by 90%. That being the case means you lost 0 gil. Literally 2.0 gil is worth more than you 1.0 gil. The glass isn't half empty it is half full. :P

Lol not necessarily. :P Masamune is just very populated.

How do you know this? How do you know how difficult it will be to obtain gil? Why do people seem to forget what is currently going on now!

People are buying items are 3-4 times their original worth now, with inflation going up now. Nothing balanced out, people earned more money as a whole and things went up.

So when we go into ARR with 10% of our currency and then an item begins to drop over 1-2 months to 1/10th, guess what? PEOPLE HAVE EARNED MONEY IN THAT TIME. Why are people so blind to see this?

If someone thinks an item is worth 3-4 times its value now, why will they not think the same in 2.0?

And if someone finds an easy way of making money, then it wont matter how much you cut down because eventually people will begin to get to where they was.

If you reduce everyone by 90% so they stuck with 10% of their current gil, but in 1 month they already triple that and back to 30% but the rate of which an item did not reduce to 1/10th IMMEDIATELY then it will only go to 1/3rd because the general wealth was increased to 30% over the time it balanced out, thus you have DIRECTLY LOST 20% of your gil, outright because the value of items DID NOT decrease to 1/10th immediately.

And you cant argue "Well SE said it will be harder to gain gil", come on thats SE talking, they failed on so many "unforeseen" areas such as PLing, Garuda BLM, Atomos that they have VERY LIKELY unforeseen gil loopholes in 2.0 and trust me, someone will find them.

You are all going to be losing money, you cannot deny that at all in any slightest because the whole economy will never go to 1/10th on day And Because people will not stop earning gil from day 1, an item will balance out at much higher rate.

Ya'll in denial thinking everythings going to smoothly go down as a whole, ya'll should be happy the amount of gil is being taken out the economy because we have way to much.

The only thing that people should take solace in is the fact that everyone is in the same boat, everyone is going to loose significant amount of their gil, but its for the greater good and all that.

[Vaer]

I guess underlining it twice in the topics post wasn't enough. They should have bold'd it, made it 20pt and pink.

[NoctisUmbra]

Oh look this again. Let's sum this up shall we?

SE is not taking any wealth from anybody. They are redenominating.

Prices in 2.0 will drop drastically. That is inevitable. However it is just as foolish to say that they will balance at exactly 10% of what they are now as it is to say they will remain the same as current prices.

Nobody can say for a fact how prices will be in ARR. Any predictions are baseless as this point beyond prices dropping. Too much is changing in the game and the market will change drastically primarily due to these changes, not the redenomination.

If one is quitting because one can't comprehend what a redenomination is, and refuses to educate oneself, then godspeed.

[ShellQ8]

So.. by your logic, and the logic of every genius who thinks he/she can sell stuff with the same price.

If SE had done the opposite, and multiplied everything by 10, would you have been happier?
Would you go "Awesome!!! Now I'm rich and all my hard work got multiplied!"?
Would those geniuses sell their stuff with the same price? No, they will add a "0", because it's the normal thing to do. Because nothing has changed, just an additional "0" to everything.

And the same thing goes for (taking away a "0") nothing changes. I actually like it, it gives more value to the Gil. People will actually feel "Rich" when they have a million, because it won't be as easy to gain, and it won't disappear as quickly as the current million gils.

It seems more logical to me for a "Rusty Needle" to be sold for 43 gils rather than 432 gils, and for a weathered gladius to be sold for 60 gils rather than 600 gils. I know it's just numbers, but for a starting weapon, it doesn't seem right to have 4 or 3 figures.

[Ingolf]

But guys, I earned my money.

SE are thieves.

[Alastar]

Oh please tell me what SE really cut, really, they didnt cut anything, they just minus 1 zeros from all the price.

Where you been?

[viion]

Oh look this again. Let's sum this up shall we?

SE is not taking any wealth from anybody. They are redenominating.

Prices in 2.0 will drop drastically. That is inevitable. However it is just as foolish to say that they will balance at exactly 10% of what they are now as it is to say they will remain the same as current prices.

Nobody can say for a fact how prices will be in ARR. Any predictions are baseless as this point beyond prices dropping. Too much is changing in the game and the market will change drastically primarily due to these changes, not the redenomination.

If one is quitting because one can't comprehend what a redenomination is, and refuses to educate oneself, then godspeed.

You say they're not taking any wealth from anybody then state that prices will not balance to 10%, Anything over is a loss.

If prices balance at 30% but you've only got 10%, you are now 20% less wealthy from what you could purchase before.

I thought this was common sense...Also just as much as prices drop, prices will rise also, why do people INSIST on ignoring this? Prices rise now due to demand, with materias being 3-4 sometimes 5 times as much as their original price when out of demand.

People also seem to forget that a lot of people will be like "Oh shit i have no money!" and become greedy, selling high in order to recuperate what they lost during the reduction. Then as they dont sell they reduce slowly, but by the time it gets anywhere even near to 1/10th people will have earned much more and double/tripled/quadrupled their starting gil in that the wealth has increased and balanced out at a much higher rate than 1/10th, thus the higher rate is what is causing the LOSS. Its so basic............. lol.

[NoctisUmbra]

You say they're not taking any wealth from anybody then state that prices will not balance to 10%, Anything over is a loss.

If prices balance at 30% but you've only got 10%, you are now 20% less wealthy from what you could purchase before.

I thought this was common sense...Also just as much as prices drop, prices will rise also, why do people INSIST on ignoring this? Prices rise now due to demand, with materias being 3-4 sometimes 5 times as much as their original price when out of demand.

People also seem to forget that a lot of people will be like "Oh shit i have no money!" and become greedy, selling high in order to recuperate what they lost during the reduction. Then as they dont sell they reduce slowly, but by the time it gets anywhere even near to 1/10th people will have earned much more and double/tripled/quadrupled their starting gil in that the wealth has increased and balanced out at a much higher rate than 1/10th, thus the higher rate is what is causing the LOSS. Its so basic............. lol.

Incorrect.

Prices will not balance at 10% exactly, yes, however the reason behind that has little to do with the redenomination, and more to do with the fact that the game will be drastically different - namely crafting/gathering.

Essentially, if gil wasn't redenominated, prices would still fluctuate up and down by values of 20-30% or even more on some items anyway. Yoshi-P already pointed this out when he first announced the redenomination by mentioning how in ARR many items will be valued differently and suggesting people do not engage in future's trading by investing in certain materials or gear. Some things will gain value, others will lose.

Redenomination will only have a psychological impact at first, which is a minor impact compared to the above. In such a closed market, all it takes is for people who realize they aren't losing any gil by putting things up for any price just above 10% to do just that and they forcefully undercut anyone who wants to keep prices high.

So essentially, A being the redenomination and B being new DoH/L systems and item values, A and B are indepenant factors in ARR price balancing.

[viion]

Incorrect.

Prices will not balance at 10% exactly, yes, however the reason behind that has little to do with the redenomination, and more to do with the fact that the game will be drastically different - namely crafting/gathering.

Essentially, if gil wasn't redenominated, prices would still fluctuate up and down by values of 20-30% or even more on some items anyway. Yoshi-P already pointed this out when he first announced the redenomination by mentioning how in ARR many items will be valued differently and suggesting people do not engage in future's trading by investing in certain materials or gear. Some things will gain value, others will lose.

Redenomination will only have a psychological impact at first, which is a minor impact compared to the above. In such a closed market, all it takes is for people who realize they aren't losing any gil by putting things up for any price just above 10% to do just that and they forcefully undercut anyone who wants to keep prices high.

So essentially, A being the redenomination and B being new DoH/L systems and item values, A and B are indepenant factors in ARR price balancing.

Sorry but you are incorrect.

The game will be drastically different, but you, nore even Yoshi knows all the gil intake amounts. They miss things, we find ways to earn and such. Crafting/Gathering is infact a lot easier now, so I am not sure what you're talking about with this.

I feel like you're just going to try use redenomination as an excuse each time when it is irrelevant to user controlled situations.

Because what you are talking about in a real world situation would have affected all products and services, HERE IT IS NOT.

The price of X Sword in the Ward now will NOT be 1/10th in ARR, and it has HIGH chances it never will, There are so many arguments that prove this.

This effectively means that the balance out rate remainder will be the lost value of your gil.

It does not matter about HOW people get their Gil such, just know PEOPLE WILL.

If you go into ARR with 1m and in 1 month you make it to 2m,
Item at 10m goes to 5m but then goes to 3m before its being bought.

You before COULD buy it, but now its balanced out at 30% of its original value, thus you lost 20% of the value of your gil, but you can earn it back easily enough in that the balance out rate hits much faster than the reduction of the price of an item.

This is what you are not seeing, you are counting on the fact that people WILL be all nice and happy and sell stuff cheaper, you are counting on the fact that people some how think they will treasure their gil and disregarding that people NOW spend money on expensive stuff that causes 300-400% inflation of an item and they STILL purchase it for that amount.

And finally you're counting (or forgetting) on that fact that gil will be SO DIFFICULT to obtain that general wealth will not increase. If an items in general, take x time to go down, but in that x time the general wealth increases by a certain amount, the balance rate hits much higher.

You are all concentrating on the fact that things should deflate in price and ignoring inflation that balances it out. Undercutting will ONLY happen if there is a significant amount of that item, so it is a completely different parameter, look at some Materia lately, many will not be in lots of stock but the price went up and up and and up, in ARR it will go down and the "up" balances this out by reducing the amount it goes down to.

Everyone knows there is too much money in the economy, everyone has way to much, and this 10% reduction is a way of removing a lot of it and hiding it behind reasons, and then applying a much slower growth rate. But there is still that, a growth!. (this is a good thing that we're being rid of Gil). It seems a lot of people are trying to put fairy dust reasoning behind the "no loss" to deny the fact that you will be losing Gil. It may not be much, it may only be 20-30% loss, but its still a loss never the less.