If SE is taking away my hard work...

[viion]

999 = 99. You don't lose anything, the economy will adjust properly after a short time of inflation. They made the value of gil higher and reduced the bigger number to smaller. I know you Spring and know how frustrating it can be but look at the facts the whole economy as a whole is dropping by 90%. That being the case means you lost 0 gil. Literally 2.0 gil is worth more than you 1.0 gil. The glass isn't half empty it is half full. :P

Lol not necessarily. :P Masamune is just very populated.

How do you know this? How do you know how difficult it will be to obtain gil? Why do people seem to forget what is currently going on now!

People are buying items are 3-4 times their original worth now, with inflation going up now. Nothing balanced out, people earned more money as a whole and things went up.

So when we go into ARR with 10% of our currency and then an item begins to drop over 1-2 months to 1/10th, guess what? PEOPLE HAVE EARNED MONEY IN THAT TIME. Why are people so blind to see this?

If someone thinks an item is worth 3-4 times its value now, why will they not think the same in 2.0?

And if someone finds an easy way of making money, then it wont matter how much you cut down because eventually people will begin to get to where they was.

If you reduce everyone by 90% so they stuck with 10% of their current gil, but in 1 month they already triple that and back to 30% but the rate of which an item did not reduce to 1/10th IMMEDIATELY then it will only go to 1/3rd because the general wealth was increased to 30% over the time it balanced out, thus you have DIRECTLY LOST 20% of your gil, outright because the value of items DID NOT decrease to 1/10th immediately.

And you cant argue "Well SE said it will be harder to gain gil", come on thats SE talking, they failed on so many "unforeseen" areas such as PLing, Garuda BLM, Atomos that they have VERY LIKELY unforeseen gil loopholes in 2.0 and trust me, someone will find them.

You are all going to be losing money, you cannot deny that at all in any slightest because the whole economy will never go to 1/10th on day And Because people will not stop earning gil from day 1, an item will balance out at much higher rate.

Ya'll in denial thinking everythings going to smoothly go down as a whole, ya'll should be happy the amount of gil is being taken out the economy because we have way to much.

The only thing that people should take solace in is the fact that everyone is in the same boat, everyone is going to loose significant amount of their gil, but its for the greater good and all that.

[Dargoth_Draconia]

How do you know this? How do you know how difficult it will be to obtain gil? Why do people seem to forget what is currently going on now!

People are buying items are 3-4 times their original worth now, with inflation going up now. Nothing balanced out, people earned more money as a whole and things went up.

So when we go into ARR with 10% of our currency and then an item begins to drop over 1-2 months to 1/10th, guess what? PEOPLE HAVE EARNED MONEY IN THAT TIME. Why are people so blind to see this?

If someone thinks an item is worth 3-4 times its value now, why will they not think the same in 2.0?

And if someone finds an easy way of making money, then it wont matter how much you cut down because eventually people will begin to get to where they was.

If you reduce everyone by 90% so they stuck with 10% of their current gil, but in 1 month they already triple that and back to 30% but the rate of which an item did not reduce to 1/10th IMMEDIATELY then it will only go to 1/3rd because the general wealth was increased to 30% over the time it balanced out, thus you have DIRECTLY LOST 20% of your gil, outright because the value of items DID NOT decrease to 1/10th immediately.

And you cant argue "Well SE said it will be harder to gain gil", come on thats SE talking, they failed on so many "unforeseen" areas such as PLing, Garuda BLM, Atomos that they have VERY LIKELY unforeseen gil loopholes in 2.0 and trust me, someone will find them.

You are all going to be losing money, you cannot deny that at all in any slightest because the whole economy will never go to 1/10th on day And Because people will not stop earning gil from day 1, an item will balance out at much higher rate.

Ya'll in denial thinking everythings going to smoothly go down as a whole, ya'll should be happy the amount of gil is being taken out the economy because we have way to much.

The only thing that people should take solace in is the fact that everyone is in the same boat, everyone is going to loose significant amount of their gil, but its for the greater good and all that.

Economics 101. There is actually going to be gil sinks at the launch of 2.0. More gil sinks than silly armor repair. Gil sinks that take millions of Gil out of the game instead of how it currently is just passing it player to player. Though that is still going to happen, and inflation is going to be rough at the start because people are going to try to sell things at current prices, I don't think it will work out too well because others who want to sell their crap will start undercutting and prices will drive down in short order. No Gil sinks = Money floating around. Though I won't get too far ahead of myself and say let's wait and see how things go.

[viion]

Economics 101. There is actually going to be gil sinks at the launch of 2.0. More gil sinks than silly armor repair. Gil sinks that take millions of Gil out of the game instead of how it currently is just passing it player to player. Though that is still going to happen, and inflation is going to be rough at the start because people are going to try to sell things at current prices, I don't think it will work out too well because others who want to sell their crap will start undercutting and prices will drive down in short order. No Gil sinks = Money floating around. Though I won't get too far ahead of myself and say let's wait and see how things go.

I thought it was against the rules to predict stuff here? I am pretty sure there will be Gil sinks, just as I'm sure SE have thought about every little thing and avoided possible money making schemes.

None of what I said indicates that I will have the same value in 1.0 as it does in 2.0... that's why I used a variable, you do know what variables are, right? And you STILL don't understand that your hypothetical situation is not a factual argument, regardless of how accurate the math is in it.

Jesus lmao, I am not saying the situation is fact, I am saying the Math is fact.

The FACT: If item prices reduce only 1/5th of what they are now, you've lost a 4th of your gil, WEATHER THIS WILL HAPPEN OR NOT IS NOT FACT, THE AMOUNT LOST IS.

Please say you understand this, Nothing of what I am saying is saying what will happen is fact, my facts are the illustration of past events which HAVE happened, and that IF situation X Happens, THE FACT is you lost Y money on that situation. No where am I saying the situation will happen, I PREDICT it will happen.

Let me repeat...

IF the situation, where items do not reduce down to the same ratio of gil reduction, you are losing money. The situation MAY or MAY NOT happen, I never said that is fact. IF the situation occurs that items do not reduce to 1/10th ever, you have lost money.

[whoopeeragon]

Jesus lmao, I am not saying the situation is fact, I am saying the Math is fact.

The FACT: If item prices reduce only 1/5th of what they are now, you've lost a 4th of your gil, WEATHER THIS WILL HAPPEN OR NOT IS NOT FACT, THE AMOUNT LOST IS.

Please say you understand this, Nothing of what I am saying is saying what will happen is fact, my facts are the illustration of past events which HAVE happened, and that IF situation X Happens, THE FACT is you lost Y money on that situation. No where am I saying the situation will happen, I PREDICT it will happen.

Then why, may I ask, are you using such a prediction as a base argument for your whole perspective? We are ALL acting on predictions at the moment - why is it that YOUR prediction has to take priority over OURS?

[viion]

Then why, may I ask, are you using such a prediction as a base argument for your whole perspective? We are ALL acting on predictions at the moment - why is it that YOUR prediction has to take priority over OURS?

Do you not know how debates work? Do you not know what beliefs are or perspectives? Should go look it up and you will see why MY belief does not rule out YOURS like YOURS does not rule out MINE.

Why should your perspective take priority over mine? Ask yourself the same question.............................................................

You predict something will happen, I also predict something will happen, this should be a fair debate. The other 2 guys though do fancy ganging up on me for some signature luls.

[whoopeeragon]

Do you not know how debates work? Do you not know what beliefs are or perspectives? Should go look it up and you will see why MY belief does not rule out YOURS like YOURS does not rule out MINE.

Why should your perspective take priority over mine? Ask yourself the same question.............................................................

You predict something will happen, I also predict something will happen, this should be a fair debate. The other 2 guys though do fancy ganging up on me for some signature luls.

Except for the fact that while most of us are debating, you are downright slamming our opinions with your hyperbolical expressions! There's a difference between debating and total disregard for the other side's opinion. Maybe those two are ganging up on you; I don't care, I just think your attitude is a bit off.

As for the predictions thing...

For one, my prediction is vague and broad so as to encapsulate as much difference as possible, while you are totally narrowing down on the most hair-breadths of detail as a prediction. As a prediction, you don't want to be as specific as you are right now. Maybe you feel different, but the more specific you go into a prediction, the more likely you'll end up wrong.

Can we agree on a few facts though?

1. Our relative wealth on our characters and retainers WILL REMAIN THE SAME. This takes into account only gear and money ON your character, disregarding all else. We will have LOST gil, but our WEALTH is EQUAL.

2. As a reboot and introduction of new materials, removal of old materials, drop rates, crafting and gathering techniques, the economy will CHANGE and take awhile to adjust. During this, old items transferred over from 1.0 will have a different VALUE due to rarity, uses or vanity.

3. WE are in charge of our money. As such, WE are in charge of the markets. If items do not lower to 1/10th of the price, then it is not US losing money, but the MARKETS being changed due to player intervention. As a result, careful planning of how to spend your gil will help you, no?

4. Just because the value of 10 gil 1.0 is the same as 1 gil ARR, that does not mean that value of ALL items will remain the same. Again, the reboot and introduction of new materials and change in gameplay are all factors.

So it's not just a matter of maths. There are far too many variables to accurately determine whether we are losing, gaining or being level when it comes to the MARKET economics. However, our PERSONAL economics is simple - we will retain the same wealth as before.

[viion]

Except for the fact that while most of us are debating, you are downright slamming our opinions with your hyperbolical expressions! There's a difference between debating and total disregard for the other side's opinion. Maybe those two are ganging up on you; I don't care, I just think your attitude is a bit off.

If thats how you feel, I feel the same, I feel they are ganging up on me because it is clear they have mega egos (exposed by the signature to point out how stupid another person is) and thus ignoring many of my points and completely mistaking my points to be something its not, I have express my argument for all, I feel they are disregarding all my sense.

So that is great you think I have opinions with hyperbolical expressions, they do, and you do also.

You then begin to contradict yourself with your points.

Just because the value of 10 gil 1.0 is the same as 1 gil ARR, that does not mean that value of ALL items will remain the same.

Not once did I say 1.0 prices will remain the same, this is why I not bothering to take you seriously because its VERY clear you are doing the exact same thing by trying to state something which I did not express.

I am expressing prices from 1.0 will not go to 1/10th like our Gil will. This is > my < prediction.

[Punainen]

I thought it was against the rules to predict stuff here? I am pretty sure there will be Gil sinks, just as I'm sure SE have thought about every little thing and avoided possible money making schemes.



Jesus lmao, I am not saying the situation is fact, I am saying the Math is fact.

The FACT: If item prices reduce only 1/5th of what they are now, you've lost a 4th of your gil, WEATHER THIS WILL HAPPEN OR NOT IS NOT FACT, THE AMOUNT LOST IS.

Please say you understand this, Nothing of what I am saying is saying what will happen is fact, my facts are the illustration of past events which HAVE happened, and that IF situation X Happens, THE FACT is you lost Y money on that situation. No where am I saying the situation will happen, I PREDICT it will happen.

Let me repeat...

IF the situation, where items do not reduce down to the same ratio of gil reduction, you are losing money. The situation MAY or MAY NOT happen, I never said that is fact. IF the situation occurs that items do not reduce to 1/10th ever, you have lost money.

I agree. Its a basic issue of the human condition. People are greedy. People used to raking in millions will still want to have the feel of the large numbers and will try to rake in large numbers. A lot of people (obviously not all, but a lot) base what is 'expensive' or not based on how large the number looks in comparison to how badly they want the item.

If the number on the screen makes NO difference, WHY re-denominate at all?? And its a basic fact of economies everywhere... When money becomes more scarce, prices don't drop, in fact they go UP. If money is plentiful, they may also go up, but it wont hold the same sting as the rise in price when money is short. Because when money is short, people want to make more, faster, because the buyer may be short, but so is the seller.

The seller will take as much as possible from the buyer, ALWAYS. There is absolutely NOTHING in psychology (nor economics for that matter) that would predict a likelihood that player controlled prices will drop to 1/10th... And when and if they do not, we will have all lost substantial buying power.

I again, present the question...if they really don't expect buying power to change....WHY are they changing it?? There is literally no upside to the re-denomination. Best case scenario is nothing changes. Worst case scenario is massive inflation. So why do it??

[Felis]

So when we go into ARR with 10% of our currency and then an item begins to drop over 1-2 months to 1/10th, guess what? PEOPLE HAVE EARNED MONEY IN THAT TIME. Why are people so blind to see this?

Only if someone buyed it in this time