The growing entitlement issues of the casuals

[TheVedis]

Casuals paid for the game exactly as much as the hardcore. Like it or not.

how much you pay for a game doesnt dictate how good your gear has to be compared to someone who plays more then you

[Abriael]

how much you pay for a game doesnt dictate how good your gear has to be compared to someone who plays more then you

it should dictate what you have access to, and that "what" is "everything".

Hardcore = accomplishment (gear) comes with hard work...
Casuals = i don't have time to play so gimme everything at level 1

Strawman argument. No one is asking for "everything at level 1"

Moreover, most "hardcore" have an idea of "hard work" that equates to "waiting in a spot for multiple hours, getting bored to death while doing nothing at all, while the mob spawns". Which is absolutely laughable.

[TheVedis]

it should dictate what you have access to, and that "what" is "everything".



Strawman argument. No one is asking for "everything at level 1"

Moreover, most "hardcore" have an idea of "hard work" that equates to "waiting in a spot for multiple hours, getting bored to death while doing nothing at all, while the mob spawns". Which is absolutely laughable.

the only thing that seperated casuals from hardcores is simple
time played


if something takes 100 hours of playtime to reach, then yes, both still have access to it, so there is no need to change it
the fact hardcores will get there sooner doesnt mean its unfair to casuals


doing stuff like "hard mode fights" is the truely "casual unfriendly" aspect of games(im looking at you wow)
just making stuff take a while to earn and reach doesnt make it casual unfriendly, or unfair to casuals at all, they can still get there.....eventualy

[Abriael]

if something takes 100 hours of playtime to reach, then yes, both still have access to it, so there is no need to change it
the fact hardcores will get there sooner doesnt mean its unfair to casuals


doing stuff like "hard mode fights" is the truely "casual unfriendly" aspect of games(im looking at you wow)
just making stuff take a while to earn and reach doesnt make it casual unfriendly, or unfair to casuals at all, they can still get there.....eventualy

Actually it's the opposite. As "casual" is not a definition of ability, just of time. A casual can easily be able to complete a harder fight. While he might never be able/willing to stand in a single point for hours on end just to wait for a mob to spawn.
Simply enough, casuals have less time to spend on the game in a single sitting, and they like to use that whole time constructively instead of having to wait for senseless and boring dead times and things like that.

[Mireille]

I tend to think of hardcore gamers as people for whom games are a hobby as opposed to just a pastime. The idea that hardcore equates to ability in a game is flawed. Just because someone invests time in something doesn't mean they are good at it.

I've seen a lot of posts in this thread from people who identify themselves as hardcore, and who seem to a have a very strong sense of entitlement over "casuals." I'm not really sure why the OP singles out casuals as acting entitled. Hardcore players aren't entitled to be treated as if they are some sort of elite group who the devs have an obligation to cater too above everyone else. You could just as easily argue that someone who pays for multiple accounts is entitled to more from the game because they give SE more money each month than a person who pays for a single account. I don't think SE is going to cater to that sort of reasoning from any subgroup of players.

If you play 15 hours a day you can level all your jobs to cap, but if your playskills suck you won't get a good endgame shell. The casual player who plays 2 - 3 hours a day and has great playskills can get a good endgame shell. Does that 15 hours a day entitle that hardcore player to the casual players NM drops? It really boils down to what you can accomplish for yourself in the time you can play.

Some of my favorite titles in XI are from 3 day pop HNM like Nid or Cerb, so I do like the idea of having that sort of accomplishment in XIV. I think there are other ways of going about creating that sort of challenge than requiring people to wake up at 4 am on a workday just to have someone bot claim the NM out from under them.

[Dreamer]

I tend to think of hardcore gamers as people for whom games are a hobby as opposed to just a pastime. The idea that hardcore equates to ability in a game is flawed. Just because someone invests time in something doesn't mean they are good at it.

It actually goes a bit further than that. For the really hardcore, it's not just a hobby, their lives revolve around it. Back when I played WoW, I knew players would literally spend 8-12 hours per day in game.

[Ilean]

It actually goes a bit further than that. For the really hardcore, it's not just a hobby, their lives revolve around it. Back when I played WoW, I knew players would literally spend 8-12 hours per day in game.

Aye, should commodities be designed with pathological behavior in mind? Not IMO.

Yes they are entitled to live their lives as they want but when they start berating others for being full human beings...

Yup.

[Mireille]

It actually goes a bit further than that. For the really hardcore, it's not just a hobby, their lives revolve around it. Back when I played WoW, I knew players would literally spend 8-12 hours per day in game.

Actually a hobbyist can invest as much time money and effort into their hobby as they do into job and family. I think you can make a distinction between a hardcore gamer and someone for whom gaming is a part of some mania, but the only thing that distinguishes a hobbyist from a pro is one of them gets paid to do it and the other doesn't. In point of fact some hobbyists open businesses based on their hobby. Check out model train stores, or gun dealers and you will find hobbyists working behind the counter.

For those who do this because it feeds some psychological problem you could liken it to a dependency like drug addiction, gambling, or sex addiction. They aren't hardcore gamers they are struggling with some other life issues and escaping into a game.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

It actually goes a bit further than that. For the really hardcore, it's not just a hobby, their lives revolve around it. Back when I played WoW, I knew players would literally spend 8-12 hours per day in game.

i played ffxi for 20 hrs a day >.> yet i'm here for fun. Not to be an extreme elitists mofo. I dislike tv and there is nothing in my town. And i have a few issues so i'm sorta limited in what I can do. I didn't always level sometimes that 20 hours would be talking in my shell. I was only in 2 endgame LS's both less then 3 mnths due to 1 being elitists, seconbd broke thanks to a german couple and a crazy brit who tried talking over the shall caling most americans lazy. The leader of said shell got screwed over because he was west coast and the brit would get nearly everyone to do runs with him instead of the leader. I stoped doing endgame after that.

So not everyone is like how you claim. You like making generalized comments.

[Venat]

i played ffxi for 20 hrs a day >.> yet i'm here for fun. Not to be an extreme elitists mofo. I dislike tv and there is nothing in my town. And i have a few issues so i'm sorta limited in what I can do. I didn't always level sometimes that 20 hours would be talking in my shell. I was only in 2 endgame LS's both less then 3 mnths due to 1 being elitists, seconbd broke thanks to a german couple and a crazy brit who tried talking over the shall caling most americans lazy. The leader of said shell got screwed over because he was west coast and the brit would get nearly everyone to do runs with him instead of the leader. I stoped doing endgame after that.

So not everyone is like how you claim. You like making generalized comments.

You just said you only sleep for 4 hours a day... unless your asleep and you still play the game.