Cartoony style graphics....

[Starlord]

Here's a serious question: Do you think the Dalamund weather effect is just a pretty picture?

Of course it is? but that's my "opinion". its far from a fact. some people will hate it.. some people will love it. You know were human after all. If there was a billion Elexias or Starlords or whoever the world would be boring with no differences of "opinions".

Facts are come from SE because it's "official" everything else is opinions. I agree Lighting and shader do make the game look better you are indeed correct.

However, it does not change the fact that the objects, ground, sky etc itself (which has nothing to do with lighting or shaders look beyond that for a second), that to me "my opinion" that it doesn't look cartoony, and it's an amazing site to see. Your telling me it's wrongful for other people to have opinions of what something looks like?

Respect other people's opinions and we wouldn't have as many arguments as these forums tend to have because people don't know how to respect other opinions.

Edit: I don't defend anything, I just tell what I see and I make my opinion out of it. You got a problem with it? U mad or something? woke up on the wrong side of the bed? Hit your head on the edge of a table? Tripped down stairs?

[Elexia]

Of course it is? but that's my "opinion". its far from a fact. some people will hate it.. some people will love it. You know were human after all. If there was a billion Elexias or Starlords or whoever the world would be boring with no differences of "opinions".

Facts are come from SE because it's "official" everything else is opinions. I agree Lighting and shader do make the game look better you are indeed correct.

However, it does not change the fact that the objects, ground, sky etc itself (which has nothing to do with lighting or shaders look beyond that for a second), that to me "my opinion" that it doesn't look cartoony, and it's an amazing site to see. Your telling me it's wrongful for other people to have opinions of what something looks like?

Respect other people's opinions and we wouldn't have as many arguments as these forums tend to have because people don't know how to respect other opinions.

Actually it's you telling people they're wrong and it's just your opinion.

Also:

However, it does not change the fact that the objects, ground, sky etc itself (which has nothing to do with lighting or shaders look beyond that for a second), that to me "my opinion" that it doesn't look cartoony, and it's an amazing site to see. Your telling me it's wrongful for other people to have opinions of what something looks like?

Yes, you are wrong in this regard. Everything is affected by shaders and lighting, how do you think the water even looks like water to begin with?

[Starlord]

Actually it's you telling people they're wrong and it's just your opinion.

Also:


Yes, you are wrong in this regard. Everything is affected by shaders and lighting, how do you think the water even looks like water to begin with?

Keep going shooting down people's opinions *thumbs up*

[Rokien]

Keep going shooting down people's opinions *thumbs up*

You could also consider gravity an opinion as well................................ just saying.

You are digging yourself deep, real deep my friend.

[Starlord]

You could also consider gravity an opinion as well................................ just saying.

You are digging yourself deep, real deep my friend.

Gravity is a fact because there are "Sources" behind those facts. Talking about Graphical changes there is no source behind it, just opinions and based assumptions. If you can find an "SE" source that says that these Graphical Changes looks "cartoony" then I will admit I was wrong and admit they are facts, till then they are opinions and nothing more than opinions.

[Jennestia]

Gravity is a fact because there are "Sources" behind those facts. Talking about Graphical changes there is no source behind it, just opinions and based assumptions. If you can find an "SE" source that says that these Graphical Changes looks "cartoony" then I will admit I was wrong and admit they are facts, till then they are opinions and nothing more than opinions.

Have you really never heard the terms "Water Shader" or "Fur Shader"? I understand you're sticking to your "opinions" however I promise you game designers using shaders isn't an opinion or people making assumptions lol. Look at the sig you're touting -- There's shaders being used for the hair alone. The whole "Looks cartoony" thing is because of the plastic look which could be due to the lack of shaders and appropriate lighting or because of the stiffness of characters.

Trust me, I know the phrase ignorance is bliss, but you're basically telling people it's only an opinion when as Rokien said, you could consider Gravity an opinion if you use that line of thinking -- You say "gravity is fact", so is the use of shaders to make the water look realistic or hair to move properly.

Honestly Starlord, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shader just read this and maybe you'll understand what other people are saying when they mention this word.

[Suirieko]

Gravity is a fact because there are "Sources" behind those facts. Talking about Graphical changes there is no source behind it, just opinions and based assumptions. If you can find an "SE" source that says that these Graphical Changes looks "cartoony" then I will admit I was wrong and admit they are facts, till then they are opinions and nothing more than opinions.

Curious. What are your sources that you need to determine that Graphic is "fact", if we're experiencing it everyday?

Speaking of sources, if we're speaking of the latest trailer that has the 'cartoony' look, SE, themselves, stated that the trailer is old, and does not look as intended, (since you want this) as sourced here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/54815-TGS-Trailer-ahoy%21?p=836726&viewfull=1#post836726

Producer/Director Yoshida here.

The assets used to create the trailer were actually older than what was shown during last week's Letter from the Producer Live. Also, depending on the area shown, the lighting, as well as hair, neck movement, and facial properties are still being adjusted.

The time period in which these assets were taken was within the scope of what we planned; however, clearly the stuttering of the video was not intended and we're currently investigating this. Today, well I guess yesterday, I went to the Tokyo Game Show floor to see it in person, but since the trailer playing there didn't have any problems, the possibility that this is an encoding-related problem is quite high.

I apologize for such a rudimentary mistake, but once we figure out what caused it, we'll be sure to let you know.

Finally. Maybe you don't have good eyesight, but people can clearly see that the graphic isn't perfect and needs improvement.

[Faiyez]

You could also consider gravity an opinion as well................................ just saying.

Gravity is a self-evident fact. An opinion could only be given about how it works exactly.

How a game looks to you is completely subjective, and your opinion.

[Rokien]

Gravity is a self-evident fact. An opinion could only be given about how it works exactly.

How a game looks to you is completely subjective, and your opinion.

You do know gravity is a theory lol

[Shougun]

You do know gravity is a theory lol

Gravity is a fact in that it exists. The theory of gravity is how it exists/why. *

Like we understand that all masses have gravity, you have a gravity its just tiny.. Now make theories onto why you produce a gravitational field.

* This is as long as you prescribe to a general thought process. Some people here could go and be like "but do we even exist, the world is a hologram in the imagination of a kid created by gods on the toilet"